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Line 1: {{TODO\|Creation of this page is in progress. This is not a real chat log. Comments have been removed, sorted and edited.}} {{Stendhal Development Meeting 2009-11-22}} __TOC__ * humana: hey... I want more sound in this game, maybe music!... I thought about a new house... for example a jazz house... there are some musicians (is that the right word) which are playing music... you can do there for example a new quest too ... how do you think about this? Line 19 ⟶ 21: * miasma: we could take midi-files. * superkym: storyteller's music is really good. but adding to the game it is another thing * vomit: in the wiki stood something about ogg * storyteller: I produced it myself * vomit: would flac do it either? * humana: okay teller I will hear it * humana: kymi? what do you mean? * superkym: pepsz, you can write this already * vomit: i have one ambienttrack but it's in mp3 * plassy: maybe we can find some music at jamendo.com... it's creative common * humana: I like some music for your heart * humana: like blues and jazz == Types of Music == == File Format == * vomit: in the wiki stood something about ogg * vomit: would flac do it either? * vomit: i have one ambient track but it's in mp3 * miasma: midi-files can be repeated the whole time aren't so big files and you can make them easy at home * humana: I like some music for your heart * humana: like blues and jazz * blackfinix: convert it to ogg * blackfinix: ogg is open source * storyteller: no, I think we should not take music from anywhere... * blackfinix: flac is open source * humana: storryteller what do you mean? * plassy: what do you mean with anywhere? * kiheru: with flac we would get rather large download sizes * miasma: i'm for midi-files. * storyteller: well, to take it from any other source... Because of the copyright etc * plassy: its a game * vomit: flac would just be the source * humana: porl there are guys who want music and guys which say it is not important * superkym: i'm pretty sure the wiki says what specifications we have, doesn't it say oggs? * humana: yes and a game has a background music * humana: you can mute the music * vomit: you could downsample it then for your own desired size * blackfinix: a midi composition would work miasma. but i am not sure if he game can handle them * pepsz: more for example the people how you ignore can see why you ignore hem when try speak with you * plassy: midi and linux isn't a good idea * Oslsachem: music usually adds atmosphere to the game but not gameplay * blackfinix: a midi composition would work miasma. but im not sure if he game can handle them * humana: so I don't know now... what do you think about a Blues or Jazz house? * plassy: midi and linux istnt a good idea * humana: midi... * blackfinix: if it was midi it would definitely have a retro sound to the game :) * yoriy: what about next ideas * Oslsachem: porl, the problem of levelling undefinedly is that if creature don't level together with you, you end up without challenges. * vomit: i think it should be ogg * storyteller: do you think about 8-bit music? * matheus: open * Oslsachem: undefinitely * blackfinix: yes ogg is best bet * storyteller: retro style? ;) * vomit: and there should be a soundtrack file, which you are able to download extra * plassy: full ack to ogg * miasma: i think a retro touch like lufia or secret of mana or sth. is not bad for a game like these * blackfinix: vomit yes ... like the sound files now * storyteller: thats right miasma * vomit: yes * blackfinix: yes * superkym: adding music woudl still be rather a major change * vomit: but midis are tooooo oldschool * miasma: i could try to make midi-files. thanks to guitar pro :D * sentinel: missing a shop for armors * tigertoes: i dont think you can get the range in midi files as you can in ogg == Other == * storyteller: no, I think we should not take music from anywhere... * humana: storryteller what do you mean? * plassy: what do you mean with anywhere? * storyteller: well, to take it from any other source... Because of the copyright etc * plassy: its a game * humana: yes and a game has a background music * humana: you can mute the music * pepsz: more for example the people how you ignore can see why you ignore hem when try speak with you * Oslsachem: music usually adds atmosphere to the game but not gameplay * humana: so I don't know now... what do you think about a Blues or Jazz house? * vomit: and there should be a soundtrack file, which you are able to download extra * blackfinix: vomit yes ... like the sound files now * superkym: adding music would still be rather a major change * blackfinix: ok we can put that off for now, or create a ccommittee to look into it * humana: who wrote music for stendhal already? Line 82 ⟶ 84: * miasma: but not your ambient music, vomit. i think ulthar isn't a good choice. in dreamscape maybe ;) * Oslsachem: music should be played adaptively according to the place and situation, to give it more value. * plassy: whats the problem with music... there is support for ~~sounfd~~sound in java... or imam I wrong? * samson: I don't care about music / sounds as long as I can switch them off * blackfinix: yes samson. Line 128 ⟶ 129: * kiheru: java does not handle everything. there's still a lot about the behaviour to code * blackfinix: wouldn't all this music be very resource hungry? * Oslsachem: you could play with the music tempo, increasing it when a player has low health * humana: so if you want some music for some maps... I am here, I have guitar pro .. and domi have a better programm * miasma: like the time-out music in super mario, oslsachem? ;) * kiheru: maybe eventually osl. first we need something that works == Multi Account Playing == * humana: ~~kymi?~~ what is if you play with 2 accounts? * humana: you have to mute one? * humana: otherwise maybe it sounds really strange Line 144 ⟶ 151: * superkym: so it does not need to be sent over the network from the server. just the instruction to start playing, stop playing * kiheru: as a separate package, I'd prefer * blackfinix: ok * storyteller: yes, kym, that would be best * tigertoes: i agree to the separate package... if someone wants music, they can download it separately * superkym: or a FULL client and a ~~clien~~client ~~twithout~~without sounds * Oslsachem: for all the players to listen to the music synchronously, it should be streamed from the server and not stored in the client I guess... * superkym: like we already have * plassy: no... no stream * superkym: Oslsachem i'm really not sure that's necessary * kiheru: no reason to stream. waste of ~~bandwidht~~bandwidth * hendrik: ~~kiheru,~~ i suggest these steps: 1. Make mute persitent, 2. include the sound files in stendhal-0..., 3. include the music files in stendhal-FULL-0... * blackfinix: streaming would really eat the bandwidth * storyteller: yes, that´s true * miasma: jep. * kiheru: just have a "atmosphere" property for the zones that's send to the client * superkym: if you really wanted to make it start at the correct place you'd send what moment in ~~teh~~the ~~tarck~~track to start from but not stream * superkym: but not stream == Volunteers == * superkym: * track * plassy: yes * storyteller: yes * hendrik: does someone volunteer? * blackfinix: ok * superkym: btw osl you're outside my window. can you come to the table? * hendrik: I will fix the /mute thingy. Line 175: * kiheru: cI donburied under all my tasks already :-( * storyteller: I´ll produce the music :) * hendrik: I think it may be a good idea to just start with two small files for testing, not putting to much time into it until the code works. * miasma: what about the animal masks in ados? why do they just stay 2 hours? i think the time should be altered for 2 days too * humana: good job tigger * tigertoes: :) * hendrik: I think it may be a good idea to just start with two small midi files for testing, not putting to much time into it until the code works. * Maria: humana, if you want my attention, just say hi. * hendrik: if "midi" is the way to go. * plassy: maybi i can help with the music programming * storyteller: okay, btw converting to ogg isn´t a problem ;) * superkym: plassy, that would be good * miasma: i could try to make midi-files. thanks to guitar pro :D * hendrik: plassy, cool. * storyteller: ^^ * plassy: i only have to look a bit in the java docs * hendrik: miasma, thank you. * tigertoes: i dont think you can get the range in midi files as you can in ogg * kiheru: the code is the critical part for now, so help for that is very welcome :-) * storyteller: Okay, Miasma and I do the music :) * hendrik: plassy, it may be a good idea to join [http://stendhal.game-host.org/?id=content/game/chat #arianne] on irc freenode. Please ask there if you have any questions or need some pointing around the Stendhal source code. * Oslsachem: you could play with the music tempo, increasing it when a player has low health * storyteller: good idea * humana: so if you want some music for some maps... I am here, I have guitar pro .. and domi have a better programm * miasma: like the time-out music in super mario, oslsachem? ;) * kiheru: maybe eventually osl. first we need something that works * humana: good Idea oslachem * storyteller: yes, miasma :D * Oslsachem: I guess so, miasma :) * storyteller: that would be great ^^ * plassy: i'll go too. i will have a look at the java sound api in the next week

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