Stendhal Development Meeting 2009-11-22/Result Log: Difference between revisions

*love_puppet: i believe that the pet system could be better that they are more helpful and not such a burden

*vomit: i think it should work for public chat too

*love_puppet: well right now a cat follows and a dragon can only take on a rat

*superkym: love_puppet for pets, pets are not very 'helpful' in real life. they are a friend or a play thing. they're not there to kill much for you :)

*love_puppet: mabey thare could be a leveling system for pets

*vomit: they should grow and get stronger

*humana: I don't like strong cat's..

*humana: I like little sweet cats :)

*love_puppet: well mabey dragons could lvl

*blackfinix: yes as it is i dont see many pets in use

*blackfinix: because they are more annoying than helpful

*vomit: pets should eat lesser

*hendrik: So we would have two types of pets? The cute ones and the fighters?

*superkym: love_puppet we could certainly see if it's possible. i have another suggestion too: what if you could leave them in your house safely?

*superkym: so you can have the cute pet but not with you all the time

*love_puppet: cant you do that at the moment?

*miasma: good idea.

*superkym: no it would die if the server restarted

*blackfinix: or even have a public kennel you can pay for

*miasma: nad i have no rats at my home... a dragon or a cat would starving to death, right?

*bluekiller: ok

*love_puppet: no if no one is on the screen with it it stops eating

*humana: bluekiller we don't need that now. I think.

*superkym: miasma they dont' get hungry when noone is around *g*

*hendrik: I like that idea of a kennel.

*bluekiller: humana okay sorry

*superkym: katinka can already look after pets

*miasma: oh okay :D

*tigertoes: kennel is very nice idea

*superkym: at the sanctuary

*tigertoes: yes

*superkym: but she would take them forever

*tigertoes: oh

*yoriy: `hi osl

*humana: hi oslachem :)

*Mayor Sakhs: Welcome citizen! Do you need help?

*tigertoes: howdy osl

*Oslsachem: hi jester

*plassy: ??

*Mayor Sakhs: Have a good day and enjoy your stay!

*superkym: maybe some extension to her, or a similar thing - where you can get your pet back, however i don't think you shoudl get them back fully fat for free. at the sanctuary they are fed ;)

*blackfinix: yes that would be easier than creating a new kennel

*tigertoes: well, it is typical to pay boarding fees when you take pet to kennel

*love_puppet: mabey they are sent to a room that no ones see so they dont starve and they done eat

*bluekiller: Ich wär für einen neuen Balrog

*hendrik: They should take care of the pet. Getting it all fat does not sound healthy.

*love_puppet: dont*

*storyteller: Hmm... maybe you have to pay for them to be fed...

*hendrik: So I guess a good idea would be to keep them the way they are when they are given to the Sanctury.

*humana: bluekiller .. say that in engish!

*love_puppet: could be a higher fee to get them out if they where under 100lb when placed in

*bluekiller: a new balrog

*tigertoes: yes

*blackfinix: and they are euthanized after a period of inactivity

*bluekiller: Ich muss off

*love_puppet: you know like your pet ate more than the other so i will have to charge you more for the return of your pet

*vomit: will the map become extended with the next release?

*superkym: vomit, the world is already very large and we focus on improving existing zones rather than adding new ones

*pepsz: could have a dog with pet

*kiheru: it could be possible to charge for the time spent in the kennel. that approximates the amount of food needed

*love_puppet: or mabey a wolf?

*hendrik: blackfinix, this is mostly a technically issue. If we save the kenneled pets as part of the player object, we can keep them forever. Only if we store it as part of the wildlife zone, there would be a limit.

*superkym: would you have liked to see an extended map, vomit? why?

*blackfinix: a wolf would be awesome

*plassy: does nobody know abaut the new rp-system? i read about anywhere at stendhal website. this would be a real improvement!

*hendrik: plassy, that is a large change, for the next section of the meeting.

*blackfinix: i've read the ideas about the new rp system. excellent.

*vomit: because it looks sometimes pretty small when i walk through

*plassy: ok

*vomit: especially because i just get to the same places

*blackfinix: but i think that is for a nother meeting

*hendrik: I suggest that if the player has given a cat to the kennel, he would not be able to adopt a second one.

*erdnuggel: I like the idea to save a pet in the own house..

*vomit: and i saw a handdrawn map at the wiki

*blackfinix: only one pet per person? that seems reasonable

*pepsz: me too =)

*erdnuggel: maybe it is possible to save it in the vault? if someone haves no own house?

*humana: yes erdnuggel

*humana: that's a good idea!

*superkym: the vault is destroyed when you leave

*hendrik: eeeak, how can you be so cruel to put a pet into a windowless room.

*superkym: it's just created while you are there

*erdnuggel: hmm

*superkym: i think better to have soemone taking care of it (an npc)

*erdnuggel: yes, sounds good too

*hendrik: I think the wildlife place is a good idea for the kennel.

*vomit: maybe you can put your pet into the chest

*humana: yes that's cool kym

*superkym: vomit that's very cruel!

*blackfinix: would making things like the vault or the kennel persitant between server restarts require a lot of work? on the DB code?

*humana: I think Katinka is friendly enough to save them

*pepsz: is posible when you put one iten on valt fo destroid it these iten can teleport for public cheest?

*vomit: i got this idea from WoW

*vomit: xD

*superkym: blackfinix that's not the aim of the vault

*storrymanmen: hi

*Mayor Sakhs: Welcome citizen! Do you need help?

*storrymanmen: i am new

*tigertoes: if you find a cat and give to sanctuary, and then want a cat of your own later, why couldnt you buy one

*hendrik: blackfinix, the vault, yes. The kennel, no.

*storrymanmen: who want to touch my titiesß

*storrymanmen: *?

*pepsz: becouse you no need this iten more the new players can use

*Mayor Sakhs: Have a good day and enjoy your stay!

*hendrik: tigertoes, if you give it to the sancturary for them to care about your pet, you can just get it back. This is different form giving it away without wanting it back.

*superkym: tigertoes if you give to the sanctuary that's forever, so yes you could get another. if you gave temporailiy to kennels i don't think you shoudl get another

*tigertoes: ok, i see, was thinking you meant differently

You see storrymanmen.

storrymanmen is level 0 and has been playing 0 hours and 3 minutes.

*vomit: why do i never see chars with both, dragon and cat?

*porl: ???

*superkym: sanctuary could = when you give permanently an abandoned pet you found or one you dont' want. kennel = temporary

*blackfinix: kym thats sounds right

*tigertoes: yes

*porl: can i join the party?

*superkym: vomit, the pet seller would tell you why that's not ok

*porl: what happened?

*vomit: okay

*superkym: porl we're discussing what small improvements can be made in the game

*superkym: we talked about making a variety of pet which can improve with time

*superkym: and now about kennels

*blackfinix: what about animals with special abilities? pack animals with extra slots for itemss. or mounted animals for faster travel?

*superkym: and we talked about /ignore working for public chat

*blackfinix: or animals for fighting (especially)

*superkym: blackfinix players run the fastest that anything can run, in this world

*porl: how about a making the max lvl more than 597

*yoriy: id like to have no max level here

*sentinel: missing npc to selling armors

*vomit: i think the bag, wich you take with you, should be a little bigger

*vomit: i allways have problems, because my bag is full

*superkym: vomit, that is something being worked on :) not bigger bag - but boxes and backpacks and so on

*miasma: whoo sounds good, kym :D

*blackfinix: yes a backpack of holding. like nethack :)

*hendrik: I want /mute to be remembered accross restarts.

*superkym: yes and the command could be more user friendly

*vomit: that's great superkym

*superkym: i think it should just be /mute

*superkym: not /sound mute on and /sound mute off

*plassy: yes the bag is too small

*superkym: that is quite complicated

*superkym: backpacks and boxes and containers are all very much being worked on. the keyring would then also work like this

*shinigami: could the summon scrolls can become more power if u use much of them ?

*porl: what about it

*storyteller: but what if there is for example music added some time? Then you need "/sound mute on" and "/music mute on"

*superkym: shinigami - would that be abused?

*humana: so here

*humana: hey... I want more sound in this game, maybe music!... I thought about a new house... for example a jazz house... there are some musicians (is that the right word) which are playing music... you can do there for example a new quest too ... how do you think about this?

*blackfinix: it could be. but we could put limits on it

*superkym: someone could summon a very big creature right outside semos then :o

*blackfinix: i havent used a summon scroll in forever

*hendrik: shinigami, that was the origional plan. But we had scaling issues with the old RP.

*humana: maybe first just one place for music ... it's difficult to write songs for all places in stendhal...

*vomit: humana u can compose music for the game and sent it to the developers

*hendrik: And too many other things to work on.

*vomit: there's a text in the wiki about this

*humana: so wait vomit

*humana: what kind of music?

*plassy: you have to get the music from anywhere...

*humana: I can do maybe something with cheatdomi

*miasma: what's about summoning creatures who are on these maps? not the big ones but i think if there's a map where are just rats then you can just summon rats there

*vomit: chilling tunes

*humana: I like it if there is a jazz house!

*porl: i think there should be no max lvl. WHO IS WITH ME SAY I

*storyteller: humana, I already produced a four music tracks for Stendhal :)

*vomit: maybe ambient

*superkym: miasma, that is interesting

*vomit: or classic with a touch of medieval tunes

*humana: it's difficult to write something for all places vomit

*superkym: but then what is the advantage?

*humana: you want for dungeons for example other music

*kiheru: if we make the protection more fine grained, the low protection areas could allow stronger monsters to be summoned

*blackfinix: or only summon creatures natural to that screen

*humana: storyteller? where can I hear this music?

*vomit: i allways think about the soundtrack of "elder scrolls"

*storyteller: it is added to the patches tracker

*Oslsachem: porl, why do you want no max level?

*hendrik: Please keep in mind that this is a free game. Which means that any music needs to be free and "with source". So an mp3 is not good.

*yoriy: its me who want it, osl

*storyteller: it´s something for ambiet/atmosphere

*porl: because im thinking to stop to play this, because when im 597, ill stop

*miasma: we could take midi-files.

*superkym: storyteller's music is really good. but adding to the game it is another thing

*vomit: in the wiki stood something about ogg

*storyteller: I produced it myself

*pepsz: i thnk when you ignore somebody you can write the motive for example /ignore pepzs (motive)

*porl: it will suck whan im 597

*vomit: would flac do it either?

*humana: okay teller I will hear it

*blackfinix: hmm ambient music is not hard to compose :) .... or even automated music ...

*humana: kymi? what do you mean?

*superkym: pepsz, you can write this already

*porl: hi

*love_puppet: you have a vary long time befor u get that far

*vomit: i have one ambienttrack

*love_puppet: like long

*vomit: but it's in mp3

*plassy: maybe we can find some music at jamendo.com... ist creative common

*miasma: midi-files can be repeated the whole time aren't so big files and you can make them easy at home

*humana: I like some music for your heart

*humana: like blues and jazz

*blackfinix: convert it to ogg

*pepsz: wow i dont know these =S

*superkym: pepsz please type /help and you will see what to do to add the reason. and when you type /ignore alone, you see who you have ignored and for what reason

*blackfinix: ogg is open source

*porl: please

*porl: make no max lvl

*storyteller: no, I think we should not take music from anywhere...

*vomit: would flac do it, too?

No player named "port" is currently active.

*blackfinix: yes flac is open source

*humana: storryteller what do you mean?

*porl: if someone wants muc«sic, get itunes, and hear it!

*plassy: what do you mean with anywhere?

*kiheru: with flac we would get rather large download sizes

*porl: music is not important

*plassy: of course its important!!!

*miasma: i'm for midi-files.

*storyteller: well, to take it from any other source... Because of the copyright etc

*plassy: its a game

*vomit: flac would just be the source

*humana: porl there are guys who want music and guys which say it is not important

*porl: get itunes

*superkym: i'm pretty sure the wiki says what specifications we have, doesn't it say oggs?

*porl: im hearing music right now

*humana: yes and a game has a background music

*humana: you can mute the music

*vomit: you could downsample it then for your own desired size

*pepsz: more for example the people how you ignore can see why you ignore hem when try speak with you

*porl: no max lvl

*Oslsachem: music usually adds atmosphere to the game but not gameplay

*porl: hi

*Mayor Sakhs: Welcome citizen! Do you need help?

*porl: task

*Mayor Sakhs: Semos is in need of help. Go kill a risecia archer and say complete, once you're done.

*storryshop: yes no max level

*porl: damn

*porl: bye

*Mayor Sakhs: Have a good day and enjoy your stay!

Sorry, you need to be an admin to run "jail".

*storryshop: Ihr seid alle Hurensöhne /BITCHES

*blackfinix: a midi composition would work miasma. but im not sure if he game can handle them

*humana: so I don't know now... what do you think about a Blues or Jazz house?

*storryshop: Ihr seid alle Hurensöhne /BITCHES

*vomit: storryshop shut up

*storyteller: Ich bin das nicht!

*plassy: midi and linux istnt a good idea

*humana: midi...

*humana: hmm

*vomit: ich weiß storyteller :-)

*storyteller: :)

*blackfinix: if it was midi it would definitely have a retro sound to the game :)

*yoriy: what about next ideas

*Oslsachem: porl, the problem of levelling undefinedly is that if creature don't level together with you, you end up without challenges.

*vomit: i think it should be ogg

*sentinel: 7who

*storyteller: do you think about 8-bit music?

*matheus: open

*Oslsachem: undefinitely

*blackfinix: yes ogg is best bet

*storyteller: retro style? ;)

*yoriy: `hi kez

*matheus: keaman

*vomit: and there should be a soundtrack file, which you are able to download extra

*kezman: hi all

*plassy: full ack to ogg

*matheus: kesman

*miasma: i think a retro touch like lufia or secret of mana or sth. is not bad for a game like these

*matheus: open

*blackfinix: vomit yes ... like the sound files now

*storyteller: thats right miasma

*vomit: yes

*blackfinix: yes

*superkym: adding music woudl still be rather a major change

*vomit: but midis are tooooo oldschool

*sentinel: missing a shop for armors

*blackfinix: ok we can put that off for now, or create a ccommittee to look into it

*humana: who wrote music for stendhal already?

*superkym: it's not a minor thing which we can just make happen, it's a major thing needed, as far as i remember

*matheus: open

*vomit: atmospheric sounds in ogg would be better

*matheus: kezman

*shinigami: could u create poision weapons?

*blackfinix: shinigami cool idea

*matheus: kezman

*miasma: but not your ambient music, vomit. i think ulthar isn't a good choice. in dreamscape maybe ;)

*yoriy: we can but for example i dont like this

*superkym: shinigami, that's rather an old feature request :) poison arrows too :)

*vomit: i even dislike poisoned creatures

*hendrik: I like them.

*superkym: i like poisonous creatures, i think it's very interesting

*Oslsachem: music should be played adaptively according to the place and situation, to give it more value.

*plassy: whats the problem with music... there is support for sounfd in java... or im wrong?

*erdnuggel: I like them too :)

*blackfinix: i like them too. except they are not really a threat after a certain level

*superkym: to have different styles of fighting and different things can happen

*love_puppet: :D then creatures will hate you then with a posion weapon

*vomit: isn't it already possible to poison creatures with a codeline?

*blackfinix: there should be a graded use or special antidotes for stronger poison from creatures

*samson: I don't care about music / sounds as long as I can switch them off

*vomit: i think i read about this once

*blackfinix: yes samson.

*plassy: so who did the original sound stuff?

*superkym: i'm not familiar with that vomit. as far as i knew currently only players can be poisoned. but that' snot to say it wouldnt' be possible to code it

*blackfinix: that snot funny!

*superkym: sorry blackfinix, what isn't?

*kiheru: I I think poison handling is done in Player atm. so it needs some work before it works for any creature

*blackfinix: nevermind bad joke

*Oslsachem: there's the question wether music should be played individually for each player or wether it should be associated with the zone...

*hendrik: There should be different music for cities, forrest, dungeons.

*hendrik: So it would be zone depended.

*plassy: music have to add atmosphere

*superkym: yes and storyteller's music are great examples of this

*hendrik: We already have some wind like sounds in 0_semos_village_w, but that is very basic.

*storyteller: Thanks very much :)

*superkym: some are very pretty and quiet and suitable for outdoors, a meadow

*superkym: some are dark and scary like for a dungeon

*storyteller: ^^

*Oslsachem: but that means that when a player enters a zone the music is not played from the beginning

*superkym: also he made them fairly small file which is important as we don't want to force large downloads, and they loop, too.

*yoriy: if music stay zone dependent it must not be monotonic , so probably there must be 2-3 misic themes for each zones

*blackfinix: osl that wouuld be ok though?

*hendrik: There is this problem:

*storyteller: hmm...

*hendrik: Player One enters the zone.

*hendrik: The music starts.

*hendrik: 30 second later player Two enters the zone.

*blackfinix: oh i see ... yes

*storyteller: Then the music has to be played for every single player

*hendrik: Will he hear the music from the start? Or will it start with 30 seconds into the track?

*tigertoes: if it is a loop, wouldnt that mean it doesnt matter?

*vomit: the music should play for each player

*tigertoes: same concept for when you have music on telephone and they put you on hold

*storyteller: yes, tigertoes... for loops it doesnt matter

*love_puppet: or mabey the player 2 picks up 30s in to the track

*vomit: that should be controled locally by the client

*plassy: the music should fade in... ther is no need to hear it from the start

*hendrik: Always starting at the beginning of the file is a lot easier to code.

*plassy: except if special events arise

*shinigami: Okay, Guys, I must go,,,...cu.........@miasma sag mir mal später was noch alles passiert ist,.......,.Ok bye bye

*yoriy: id like to have music in client

*blackfinix: bye shini

*miasma: jop bye con

*yoriy: instead server

*shinigami: Have fun

*plassy: hendrik: i dont see the problem... dosn't java handle this?

*plassy: isn't there any library?

*superkym: why is it a problem if the music starts from the beginning as you enter, for each player? i think that is ok

*jesco: yes it is

*hendrik: okay, that makes things easier.

*kiheru: java does not handle everything. there's still a lot about the behaviour to code

*blackfinix: wouldn't all this music be very resource hungry?

*humana: kymi? what is if you play with 2 accounts?

*humana: you have to mute one?

*Oslsachem: there's an unofficial rule that states that all the players should see the same things in the game though I don't know if music is really a part of the world or just the game interface because there isn't actually a musician playing it...

*humana: otherwise maybe it sounds really

*humana: strange

*hendrik: It may be a good idea to only play the music if the client is the active window.

*kiheru: you'd mute the music of one, unless you want a cacophony

*superkym: well they may not even be in the same zone humana... yes i guess you would choose to mute one

*superkym: or hendrik's idea

*blackfinix: but that would be the players problem if he/she choses to play more than one char

*humana: yes

*superkym: blackfinix the music itself would be shipped with the client, just like tiles and images are

*blackfinix: ok i see

*superkym: so it does not need to be sent over the network from the server. just the instruction to start playing, stop playing

*kiheru: as a separate packege, I'd prefer

*blackfinix: ok

*storyteller: yes, kym, that would be best

*tigertoes: i agree to the separate package... if someone wants music, they can download it separately

*superkym: or a FULL client and a clien twithout sounds

*Oslsachem: for all the players to listen to the music synchronously, it should be streamed from the server and not stored in the client I guess...

*superkym: like we already have

*plassy: no... no stream

*superkym: Oslsachem i'm really not sure that's necessary

*kiheru: no reason to stream. waste of bandwidht

*hendrik: kiheru, i suggest these steps: 1. Make mute persitent, 2. include the sound files in stendhal-0..., 3. include the music files in stendhal-FULL-0...

*blackfinix: streaming would really eat the bandwidth

*storyteller: yes, that´s true

*miasma: jep.

*kiheru: just have a "atmosphere" property for the zones that's send to the client

*superkym: if you really wanted to make it start at the correct place you'd send what moment in teh tarck to start from

*superkym: but not stream

*superkym: *track

*plassy: yes

*storyteller: yes

*yoriy: can we accept this and continue with other things?

*hendrik: does someone volunteer?

*blackfinix: ok

*superkym: btw osl you're outside my window. can you come to the table?

*hendrik: I will fix the /mute thingy.

*taron: Ronaldo!!!

*superkym: thanks, hendrik

*storyteller: volunteer for what? ;)

*humana: oslachem?

*blackfinix: to lead the music commitee?

*hendrik: for creating music files, for writing to code to use them.

*taron: hi

*Maria: Hi, how can i help you?

*taron: offer

*Maria: I sell beer, wine, flask, cheese, apple, carrot, meat, and ham.

*taron: bye

*kiheru: cI donburied under all my tasks already :-(

*storyteller: I´ll produce the music :)

*miasma: what about the animal masks in ados? why do they just stay 2 hours? i think the time should be altered for 2 days too

*humana: good job tigger

*tigertoes: :)

*hendrik: I think it may be a good idea to just start with two small midi files for testing, not putting to much time into it until the code works.

*Maria: humana, if you want my attention, just say hi.

*hendrik: if "midi" is the way to go.

*plassy: maybi i can help with the music programming

*storyteller: okay, btw converting to ogg isn´t a problem ;)

*superkym: plassy, that would be good

*miasma: i could try to make midi-files. thanks to guitar pro :D

*hendrik: plassy, cool.

*storyteller: ^^

*plassy: i only have to look a bit in the java docs

*hendrik: miasma, thank you.

*tigertoes: i dont think you can get the range in midi files as you can in ogg

*kiheru: the code is the critical part for now, so help for that is very welcome :-)

*storyteller: Okay, Miasma and I do the music :)

*hendrik: plassy, it may be a good idea to join arianne on irc. Pleae ask there if you have any questions or need some points around the Stendhal source code.

*Oslsachem: you could play with the music tempo, increasing it when a player has low health

*storyteller: good idea

*humana: so if you want some music for some maps... Iam here, I have guitar pro .. and domi have a better programm

*miasma: like the time-out music in super mario, oslsachem? ;)

*kiheru: maybe eventually osl. first we need something that works

*humana: good Idea oslachem

*storyteller: yes, miasma :D

*Oslsachem: I guess so, miasma :)

*storyteller: that would be great ^^

*plassy: yess... the svn-repo is on sourcforge, right?

*superkym: it's cvs but yes

*kiheru: cvs

*hendrik: plassy, it's CVS, but yes.

*yoriy: cvs repository

*superkym: i won

*plassy: cvs?? what!! Oo

*kiheru: :-P

*yoriy: whats wrong with CVS? :-)

*hendrik: Please no discussion about the source control system.

*yoriy: ok

*plassy: omg... anyway... do you have a development branch?

*blackfinix: yes please :)

*kiheru: oldfashioned, but we haven't needed to switch to anything more modern badly enough

*hendrik: HEAD.

*yoriy: id like to have a feature to take only one stackable object from chest if there is several

*superkym: a bit like the ctrl-drag yoriy?

*superkym: but to work for chest as well as bag?

*yoriy: better menu punkt

*blackfinix: yes like the reverse of /drop 2 items

*yoriy: right

*kiheru: at least the ctrl drag should work there too

*kiheru: it's confusing that it does not

*superkym: i think that's a bug, really

*superkym: you expect it to work

*superkym: would you make a bug report please yoriy?

*miasma: what about the animal masks in ados? why do they just stay 2 hours? i think the time should be altered for 2 days too

*yoriy: i will try ctrl-drag first

*storyteller: you could pay more for a longer time maybe

*yoriy: but i liketo see it in menu anyway

*superkym: miasma, fidorea is not as magical i guess ;)

*humana: all right yoriy?

*hendrik: Let's skip a bit forward on the agenda a little.

*blackfinix: ok

*miasma: kk

*hendrik: The manual at http://stendhal.game-host.org/wiki/index.php/StendhalManual needs a little attention.

*love_puppet: hes laggin

*tigertoes: i just tried the ctrl move from chest and it doesnt work

*storyteller: hmm...

*superkym: yes tigertoes that's why i asked to make a bug report

*blackfinix: hendrik like what specifically

*blackfinix: ?

*hendrik: For example the images should be uploaded to the wiki so that they are showing up there.

*tigertoes: was just saying cause yoriy wanted to try it before he did bug rpt

*hendrik: And I think it has not been updated for some time.

*hendrik: So it would be cool if someone checked it, and updated it if needed.

*blackfinix: I could go through the manual an update it if it needs

*hendrik: thank you blackfinix.

*blackfinix: ok np

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*kiheru: great :-)

*yoriy: sorry was laggs

* I have met Tad in Semos Townhall

* He asked me to buy a flask from Margaret in Semos Tavern.

* I got a flask and will bring it to Tad soon.

* Tad asked me to take the flask to ilisa at Semos Temple.

* Ilisa asked me to get a herb called Arandula which I can find north of Semos, near the tree grove.

* Ilisa asked me to get a herb called Arandula which I can find north of Semos, near the tree grove.

* Ilisa created a powerful potion to help Tad. She asked me to tell him that it is ready.

* Tad thanked me.

*blackfinix: whats next?

*hendrik: There is a feature in development that should list the quests and there progress.

*hendrik: It partly works already, You can try it out by typing this: /listquests IntroducePlayers

*blackfinix: sweet

*hendrik: I guess we want a dialog window for that in the long run.

*hendrik: So it needs works at two ends:

*hendrik: The dialog window. And we need the texts that should be displayed.

*hendrik: The second part is something that everyone that knew the quests can help with. Even without knowing anything about coding computer programs.

*blackfinix: a short description of each quest? i could go through them and do that

*hendrik: Yes, it is a bit of work. But you don't have to do all quest, just a couple of quests, And I really think that is a cool feature.

*humana: I can help you blackfinix!

*blackfinix: ok

*superkym: not so much each quest but each possibel stage

*blackfinix: oh i understand

*superkym: some quests are already done

*blackfinix: if i can see them i could follow the style

*superkym: but we can provide a list of what needs doing, probably

*superkym: right

*blackfinix: ok

*humana: blackfinix?

*hendrik: It should be like a log showing the progress.

*blackfinix: ok timur :)

*humana: okay:)

*superkym: the wiki page about quests would also advise on this, since it says what each stage is, for each quest

*humana: we can speak later about it in more detail

*blackfinix: ok timur

*blackfinix: ok kym

*superkym: so that should be converted so it reads like a log

*humana: okay kymi..

*yoriy: looks like game walkthrough

*humana: so I have another thing

*superkym: but what about the gui?

*yoriy: what with that, kym?

*storyteller: Well, there should be different screen sizes in my opinion...

*superkym: the window should sit outside the game screen like the minimap, and buddies, or float over it? should it always be there? and can anyone volunteers?

*humana: if you are your first time in a new city like FADO City... I like it if there is a welcome shield!!!... and it say like the guide... WELCOME IN FADO

*superkym: storyteller i mean the gui for the quest infrmation

*storyteller: okay

*yoriy: maybe it can be maked in book form?

*hendrik: Please have a look at http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/arianne/stendhal/data/conf/quests.xml (click "download" and save the file to disk).

*blackfinix: brb

*hendrik: There is a list of quests already described.

*erdnuggel: or to show it with an kommand like "/myquests"

*humana: okay hendrik

*hendrik: Don't worry about the confusing <..: stuff, just the raw texts are file, too.

*humana: okay :)

*hendrik: are fine*

*humana: yes

*superkym: there is a fill in the blank type template too

*humana: how do you think about the welcome shields???

*hendrik: humana, do you mean signs?

*hendrik: "Verkehrsschilder?"

*humana: yes

*humana: sorry :)

*erdnuggel: I think he means a welcom-sign ;o)

*humana: yes

*humana: yes

*erdnuggel: *welcome

*humana: thank you erdnuggel :)

*hendrik: I like that idea.

*erdnuggel: np

*erdnuggel: yes, sounds good

*humana: so you know this first guide?

*superkym: a clickable sign to read? or a text that appears like when you enter some dungeons?

*humana: if you create a new account

*humana: the pink text

*humana: like this

*tigertoes: i like the text that appears... a zone thing

*humana: understand me? :D

*hendrik: yes

*xkimetx: the monsters low lvl not atk u

*xkimetx: if u are best lvl

*xkimetx: why if bear atk me

*xkimetx: he hit me

*blackfinix: ok

*humana: wb blackfinix

*kiheru: the bear did not know you're strong

*tigertoes: foolish bear ;)

*superkym: he just thought you are food

*samson: .. and the bear was hungry :-)

*erdnuggel: hehe

*blackfinix: stupid bear XD

*xkimetx: but rat??

*superkym: rat are more stupid that bear

*kiheru: rats, otoh, are well aware they're small

*superkym: all the see is your toes

*xkimetx: lol

*xkimetx: xD

*superkym: and it smells of cheese

*yoriy: rat is extremely hungry, all of them

*storyteller: ^^

*plassy: err.. one thing... i recently observed something... it seams the client has an performance proplem. am i right?

*tigertoes: oh no... smelly feet

*superkym: plassy, even in 0.79?

*hendrik: plassy we fixed one in the last release.

*plassy: iyes

*xkimetx: and mithril armor??

*plassy: i played a bit with a local server and it lagged

*xkimetx: have in web site

*xkimetx: but not there

*xkimetx: why??

*superkym: java server and java client running together would be quite resource hungry

*yoriy: i have some problems with Mandriva OS. My CPU was overheat, but i removed it and still have some troubles

*plassy: wait.. i havent tested the 0.97 release

*superkym: but, i don't know how good your machine is plassy

*tigertoes: mithril armor quest is in development still, sorry kimet

*xkimetx: hmmm

*miasma: ah is there a "minimum system requirements"-site in the stendhal-wiki?

*plassy: i have a quad-core intel 4gb ram

superkym steals plassy's computer

*plassy: lol

*blackfinix: my machine runs at 1GHZ and 256 ram. no problem in linux or windows

*superkym: perhaps you could try the 0.79 client

*xkimetx: more monsters for drop great weapon

*plassy: i will

*miasma: that would be helpful i think if you can read on the wiki what''s the requirements

*miasma: *system requirements

*storyteller: yes, miasma

*superkym: Ok miasma, like which java version you need, and something about memory? we'd need to come up with what to put there though

erdnuggel doesnt know how "big" her pc is :D

*xkimetx: you all are working in trade system??

*blackfinix: I put something on the wiki about java versions, but i think it disappeared

*superkym: xkimetx it's in development, a trade NPC

*xkimetx: hmm

*miasma: yeah the java version and memory blah... that'S what i mean kym :D

*superkym: blackfinix - disappeared? if you log back in with your user, and look for your contrbutions, you could find it again

*blackfinix: ok i will

*miasma: sooo ich bni ma fix duschen

*xkimetx: and treiners

*xkimetx: 1 day

*xkimetx: u pay for train

*plassy: the lagging occurs only if many fighting is done

*xkimetx: the hours

*xkimetx: lvls 500 can not train

*plassy: i will try the three clients

*hendrik: On some systems, the client gets a lot faster when starting it with java -Dsun.java2d.opengl=true stendhal-0.79.jar

*superkym: and -jar, hendrik

*superkym: java -Dsun.java2d.opengl=true -jar stendhal-0.79.jar

*hendrik: On some systems, the client gets a lot faster when starting it with java -Dsun.java2d.opengl=true -jar stendhal-0.79.jar

*blackfinix: on linux run it su with "nice -n 19" helps

*yoriy: btw, could anybody place game log in wiki after meeting? I got logouts 2 times :-(

*hendrik: eeeeak.

*superkym: and i use -Xmx200m to raise the limit

*superkym: yes yoriy that i splanned

*bluekiller: hi

*Mayor Sakhs: Welcome citizen! Do you need help?

*bluekiller: bye

*Mayor Sakhs: Have a good day and enjoy your stay!

*bluekiller: :D

*kiheru: nicing should not be necessary

*yoriy: thanx kym

*blackfinix: i have an ancient machine :)

*bluekiller: what is new

*bluekiller: ?

*superkym: bluekiller the log will go on the wiki so you can read what you missed

*plassy: i'm jusing openjdk if that matters

*xkimetx: see in ariane

*bluekiller: ok

*tigertoes: that will be great test then plassy

*blackfinix: can we discuss pvp rules today?

*Maria: jesco, if you want my attention, just say hi.

*hendrik: blackfinix is that related to code or social?

*blackfinix: social

*bluekiller: what is with balrog?

*hendrik: Than that's something for a gm meeting. But we can talk about it at the end, I guess.

*xkimetx: kym

*xkimetx: new places

*blackfinix: ok

*xkimetx: in island

*xkimetx: have one place

*xkimetx: with u can not enter

*xkimetx: u can create a new place there

*xkimetx: but for lvl 400 +

*xkimetx: for players lvl up

*xkimetx: for go to there

*xkimetx: for players play more

*xkimetx: xD

*yoriy: bad idea

*xkimetx: why??

*yoriy: for lazy players only

*xkimetx: and new creatures

*blackfinix: i dont understand

*yoriy: :-)

*pepzs: i think can have new quests for example golden armor quest and chaos legs quest

*xkimetx: hmmm

*pepzs: for the low level can make

*superkym: pepzs, mightn't that be a little unbalanced?

*superkym: the idea is that the game is balanced and you get higher level armor when you have earned it. new quests to get items are fine, so long as they are balanced

*hamunu: hey

*hamunu: do we have apple juice in this gameß

*xkimetx: the trainer scroll

*storyteller: I am away now

*xkimetx: for u not need players for train

*xkimetx: why if u kill one player

*bluekiller: pcmtf

*xkimetx: u are marked with skull

*blackfinix: thats the gamble with training xkimetx

*xkimetx: or party system (/party (playe r)

*blackfinix: it shouldn't be without risks

*pepzs: yes more the players start with simple quest and simple armor xD

*xkimetx: and if u kill

*xkimetx: with party

*kiheru: we have tried to make the game so that it's not necessary to train. you can, and it has its advantages, but it's risky

*xkimetx: u are not be a pk

*hendrik: In the past training was something that was neccessary to get strong. But after we rewored the fighting rules you can get strong without training quicker.

*xkimetx: in this case

*xkimetx: the skull system

*pepzs: yes

*humana: hmm I will train to do my deathmatch alone

*xkimetx: not be if u kill only 1 players

*humana: :)

*xkimetx: but if u kill more of 1

*xkimetx: in 1 week

*superkym: hamunu, no we don't have it here

*humana: no apple juice?

*humana: so I found some apple and I thought

*pepzs: can retired the aura protection ans implant skull system

*humana: maybe we can create apple juice for this gamve :)

*superkym: humana it sounds like you already know there is some

*Oslsachem: kezman suggests making a training dagger which does a limited damage of 1 point per hit no matter the player's level and which gets used up when the player gets 1 point in both attack and defense experience. And the price is proportional to the player' level

*superkym: why else are you asking about it? maybe you saw the item on a test server or on the items page? it was an idea which was started and not finished

*pepzs: 1kill red skull 3 kill black skull and when take black skull can sell or buy anything from npc for 2 weeks

*superkym: have you a particular need for a new food/drink? we have so much

*hamunu: ahh no kymi.

*hamunu: iam fine with this food what here is..

*hendrik: I like the idea of having a way to use apples.

*hamunu: hmm but maybe for another thing

*superkym: did you see the thing in practise hendrik, which used them?

*erdnuggel: maybe you can bake a apple-pie :D

*hamunu: not for apple juice

*blackfinix: throw them at annoying players?)

*superkym: it was a food mill

*tigertoes: i like apple pie better than apple juice

*hamunu: maybe apple cake?

*superkym: and you could make apple juice from apples using it

*xkimetx: more fast the respawn????

*hamunu: apple pie :)

*blackfinix: apple schnaapps?

*xkimetx: of creatures

*xkimetx: or increase the drop

*hamunu: ahh that's a good idea

*hamunu: it works a little bit like poison!!

*hamunu: apple schnapps

*hamunu: if you drink it

*xkimetx: why demon fire sword 0.1%

*superkym: it is already coded but i think the idea of an item processor is so useful that it is worth making it more general

*hamunu: it's more difficult to walk

*xkimetx: soul dagger impossible

*xkimetx: chaos axe too

*superkym: so that we can process other items too. and not hard code in that it only uses apples and only makes juice

*kiheru: some items are rare on purpose

*hamunu: xkimetx

*hamunu: it isn't impossible!

*yoriy: right, lets do probabilities for all items of 100% :-)

*kiheru: still some players are lucky enough to find them

*hendrik: Oslsachem, kezman, it would be cool if there was a way to train by being active in game. I think the old camping system of gaining level by not playing but just being logged in is not good.

*hamunu: so I think kiheru have both weapons!

*hamunu: there are more than 2 soul daggers

*hamunu: I saw 3 players!

*blackfinix: i agree hendrik

*xkimetx: increase the def of mithril boots

*kiheru: the mithril boots could indeed be better. now nobody uses them

*hamunu: lol.. if you train you have to answer question of a quiz if you have under 5 points you die :P

*blackfinix: i do, because they are pretty :)

*hamunu: just kiddng :)

*pepzs: implant one weapon make of mithril =D

*hamunu: the boots of finix looks like my white converse chucks :D

*blackfinix: yes a mithril blade

*superkym: what kind of activity, hendrik?

*xkimetx: kkk

*xkimetx: no

*xkimetx: sword of fury

*blackfinix: yes hamunu:)

*xkimetx: axe of fury

*superkym: like you can only attack one player for 10 hits at a time

*xkimetx: rod of fury

*superkym: and then you stop the attack

*xkimetx: xD

*superkym: so you'd have to start it again?

*tigertoes: the mithril blade is being considered for something down the road

*superkym: something as simple as that?

*blackfinix: ok tigger

*hendrik: A couple of minutes ago, there was a short discussion about new quests. Should I explain how new quests are added, starting with a rough idea?

*tigertoes: yes hendrik

*xkimetx: amulets???

*xkimetx: have ring

*xkimetx: cloak

*blackfinix: is codong them difficult for beginners?

*xkimetx: but not have amulet

*xkimetx: xD

*blackfinix: *coding

*hamunu: amulet is cool!

*kiheru: boxing ring where the opponents would get tired :-P (or knocked out)

*pepzs: yes amulet

*pepzs: xD

*superkym: no blackfinix, hendrik is going to explain that now

*blackfinix: ok

*hendrik: A quest starts with a rough idea.

*hendrik: Sometimes those ideas are very detailed, sometimes they are just one sentences.

*pepzs: level request for make some quest

*hendrik: Like There should be an dunken soilders who wants a beer.

*pepzs: some players make mithril shield level 120 and can use only level 250

*xkimetx: yes

*xkimetx: but this level for use is good

*pepzs: is better implant one level for make the quests

*hamunu: yes I like it if you can use it with level 250

*hamunu: there is more fun to level up!

*hendrik: Those ideas should be discussed. Talk with other people about it. For example in #arianne.

*hendrik: * What is the quest about? * How does it fit into the world? * Which NPCs should take part in the quest? * What should the reward be? * Can the quest be done only once or repeatedly? * Are new items or monsters required?