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On the 2<sup>nd</sup> we had a development meeting regarding recent changes to the Stendhal website and future plans. Please find a summary of the meeting below.
On the 2<sup>nd</sup> we had a development meeting regarding recent changes to the Stendhal website and future plans. Please find a summary of the meeting below.



== New unified search ==
== New unified search ==
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* Actually, position of the search box may be a good path to another topic.
* Actually, position of the search box may be a good path to another topic.


== Content of start page ==
== How should the start page look like, in order to be attractive to new people as well as seasoned players? ==


* How should the start page look like, in order to be attractive to new people as well as seasoned players?
* At the moment, the start page has a lot of news, with quite a long history of old entries. New players are probably not interested in them.
* At the moment, the start page has a lot of news, with quite a long history of old entries. New players are probably not interested in them.
* More information about the game, not just the events that happen here
* More information about the game, not just the events that happen here
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[20:29] <dustofatk> a website is the center and if u use others like youtube, twitter and so on it needs to directly bring to ur page too
[20:29] <dustofatk> a website is the center and if u use others like youtube, twitter and so on it needs to directly bring to ur page too
[20:30] <borgomatic> "Your current game only goes to level 99? Turn it all the way up to 597! Come play on Stenhal! Free and always will be!"
[20:30] <borgomatic> "Your current game only goes to level 99? Turn it all the way up to 597! Come play on Stenhal! Free and always will be!"

[20:52] <borgomatic> I think we could make a special front page for mobile users.
[20:53] <hendrik> Yes, mobile devices is something to be kept in mind when we redesign the front page.
[20:53] <hendrik> While we are very far away from being able to play stendhal on mobile, it should be able to get information.
[20:53] <hendrik> Perhaps even read postman message.
[20:53] <Bluelads4> what I also named in the IRC was maybe trying to stream stendhal, not sure if that should happen in an official way (e.g. tutorials) or other stuff... wanted to think about that and if it can be used in a way.
[20:54] <Bluelads4> the videos can be linked, too then
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** The complete menu exists in the html code, but is hidden via css, so still accessible to crawler.
** The complete menu exists in the html code, but is hidden via css, so still accessible to crawler.


== Integration of Wiki content ==
== Translation ==
* Examples [https://stendhalgame.org/player-guide/beginner-guide.html Beginner's Guide], [https://stendhalgame.org/quest/armor_for_dagobert.html Armor for Dagobert].
* Wiki integration into the website seems to work reasonable well.
* Dungeon information on the atlas still point to the wiki, will be fixed after the next Stendhal release
* Dungeon and read pages
** Still missing some information, please contribute
** Some pages are using lots of information with a huge background story, others contain lots of items and stuff...
* Split of the quest page
** - Browser search does not work anymore because of the individual pages
** - Unified search box does not find "banker" or "banking" on a search for "bank"
** + Does not spoil all quests
** + Old page was too long to keep attention
* Linking related information
** Region pages should point to quests, needs manual work
** Item, creature and NPC pages should point to quests, might be generated automatically
** We might want to add keywords (e. g. region) to the quest pages, e. g. search for "bank" and get dagobert, the nalwor quests, ...
* What do we do with the wiki pages on items, creatures and npcs. They have little/some additional information to the normal wepages


== Other topics ==
* [https://translate.google.com/ Google Translate] is pretty good, but has privacy issue
* Using a browser to translate text works more or less. Need to pay attention not to be killed in game for example
* Integrating Google Translate costs about $40 per month.
* More detailed discussion: https://sourceforge.net/p/arianne/feature-requests/1321/


* Translation
== Is the new integration of Wiki content a good idea and working properly? ==
** [https://translate.google.com/ Google Translate] is pretty good, but has privacy issue
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** Using a browser to translate text works more or less. Need to pay attention not to be killed in game for example
[20:38] <hendrik> As far as I can tell, it seems to work reasonable well.
** Integrating Google Translate costs about $40 per month.
[20:38] <hendrik> But please report any issue you find.
** More detailed discussion: https://sourceforge.net/p/arianne/feature-requests/1321/
[20:39] <hendrik> I am talking about pages like https://stendhalgame.org/quest/armor_for_dagobert.html
* Mobile client
[20:39] <Bluelads4> I think that if you click on the atlas/map and want to get information about a dungeon there with clicking on the entrance on the map, you are still guided to the wiki
** first step is to work on a user interface design (e. g. touching a creature for attack will move the hand between the screen and the eyes).
[20:39] <Bluelads4> not sure if that should also be a link on the official page
** recoding the client would be a lot of work.
[20:39] <hendrik> Yes, I think it should.
[20:40] <Bluelads4> there are still lots of area pages and dungeon pages which don't contain all information, haven't had time so far to look into that again
[20:40] <hendrik> Because of the way this information is gathered, it requires a Stendhal update.
[20:40] <dustofatk> i like the all in one pages more as i can use the search in browser to find things
[20:41] <hendrik> What about the unified search box?
[20:41] <dustofatk> never tried that
[20:41] <Bluelads4> and we should think about making these pages a bit more in-line, like using one style
[20:42] <slady> that is true
[20:42] <hendrik> Can you try to give an example about the style?
[20:43] <Bluelads4> like some are using lots of information with a huge background story, others contain lots of items and stuff... it's more about the content of the pages here what I mean :)
[20:43] <dustofatk> well the search dosnt work... at least unusable for more demanding stuff
[20:44] <dustofatk> if u want to find dagobert quest u search for bank... no offer for the dagobert quest
[20:44] gepaecktraeger2 has joined Stendhal.
[20:44] <dustofatk> if u search bank quest no dagobert offered
[20:45] <Bluelads4> you can search for dagobert and get the quest information
[20:45] <dustofatk> i dont know dagobert
[20:45] <dustofatk> i know there is a bank quest
[20:45] <Bluelads4> so you mean you want to search for a map name instead of a NPC for example?
[20:45] <dustofatk> im new i dont know names
[20:45] <martinf> hello :)
[20:45] <dustofatk> i was looking for the bank quest
[20:45] <Bluelads4> like you search for "bank" and get dagobert, the nalwor quests and stuff then? (just asking for understanding here :))
[20:46] <dustofatk> yes
[20:46] <dustofatk> but u dont get the dagobert quest
[20:46] <hendrik> The dagobert quest description does not contain the word "bank", so it is not found.
[20:46] <Bluelads4> so this would maybe be an issue of linking more words to the search filter thingy?
[20:46] <Horst> hallo
[20:46] <hendrik> It does contain "banker" and "baking" through.
[20:46] <dustofatk> right and thats an example why the all in one pages are better as u find that way with bank the dagobert quest
[20:47] Bluelads4 will add "bank" to the quest page :D
[20:47] <hendrik> that is an example, why it might make sense to find sub-words.
[20:47] <dustofatk> yes
[20:47] <hendrik> but I am afraid of too many false positives, at least without further research.
[20:48] <slady> and also the NPC pages can contain position information
[20:48] <hendrik> The Wiki search is kind of limited.
[20:49] <hendrik> The unified search uses a self written index for all the information it extracts from the server. But for the wiki pages, it uses the wiki search engine.
[20:49] <slady> one newby was chasing me asking where is Jenny recently
[20:49] <Bluelads4> maybe we should add the areas/regions/interior map names to the quest pages... might that maybe help for now? :)
[20:49] <hendrik> and then it merges the results form both sources.
[20:49] <Bluelads4> at least to catch the right results for quests
[20:50] <slady> area or region would help
[20:52] <Bluelads4> I can work around adding the information
[20:52] <Bluelads4> on the quest pages I mean
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== We have about 10 minutes left. Are there other ideas to improve the website? ==
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[20:52] <hendrik> Or perhaps even offers to help with the work on it?
[20:52] <borgomatic> I think we could make a special front page for mobile users.
[20:52] <dustofatk> no promices...
[20:53] <dustofatk> mobile is a need on its own
[20:53] Bluelads4 raises her hand :D
[20:53] <hendrik> Yes, mobile devices is something to be kept in mind when we redesign the front page.
[20:53] <dustofatk> not only page but also game
[20:53] <hendrik> While we are very far away from being able to play stendhal on mobile, it should be able to get information.
[20:53] <hendrik> Perhaps even read postman message.
[20:53] <Bluelads4> what I also named in the IRC was maybe trying to stream stendhal, not sure if that should happen in an official way (e.g. tutorials) or other stuff... wanted to think about that and if it can be used in a way.
[20:53] <dustofatk> because i would attrack a lot of ppl if there are versions for mobile
[20:54] <Bluelads4> the videos can be linked, too then
[20:54] <dustofatk> very far? i thought java 8 should make it easier
[20:54] <kiheru> getting again offtopic, but mobile version of the game requires a complete rewrite of the UI - which is most of the client
[20:55] <hendrik> Before we even think about code, we need to think about a usability concept.
[20:56] <hendrik> e. g. Stendhal is very heavy on NPC chat. And having to touch in the middle of the screen, e. g. to attack a creature, moves your hand between your eyes and the screen.
[20:57] <hendrik> Java 8 does not really add anything which makes it significantly easier to code for mobile devices.
[20:58] <slady> the whole HUD has to be redesined for mobile devices
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== Conclusion ==
== Conclusion ==
* Okay, thanks a lot for your feedback and ideas regarding the Stendhal website.
* Thanks a lot for your feedback and ideas regarding the Stendhal website. While we cannot add everything right away, the discussions was very helpful.
* While we cannot add everything right away, the discussions was very helpful.
* Thank you for attending this meeting.
* Thank you for attending this meeting.
* Feel free to join us in the [https://stendhalgame.org/chat arianne chat channel] and contribute
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