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* It might be a good idea to return the creature which drop a searched item. At least if it a rare item (e. g. not money).
* It might be a good idea to return the creature which drop a searched item. At least if it a rare item (e. g. not money).
* It may be a good idea, to convert the search boxes for players, items, npcs, etc. to use the unified search as well, with a filter. For example a row of checkboxes like [_] Creature [_] Item [X] Player.
* It may be a good idea, to convert the search boxes for players, items, npcs, etc. to use the unified search as well, with a filter. For example a row of checkboxes like [_] Creature [_] Item [X] Player.
* People don't notice the new search box. It's not close to the item/player sections so it does not work as a reminder.
* Multiple people did not notice the new search box. It's not close to the item/player sections so it does not work as a reminder. Upper right hand corner seems to be used on many website. But that it is very far away from the focus of attention. We might want to move it into the World guide navigation box.
* Upper right hand corner seems to be used on many website. But that it is very far away from the focus of attention. We might want to move it into the World guide navigation box.
* Actually, position of the search box may be a good path to another topic.
* Actually, position of the search box may be a good path to another topic.


== How should the start page look like, in order to be attractive to new people as well as seasoned players? ==
== How should the start page look like, in order to be attractive to new people as well as seasoned players? ==

* At the moment, the start page has a lot of news, with quite a long history of old entries. New players are probably not interested in them.
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* More information about the game, not just the events that happen here
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* Games stats, like how many rooms, how many creatures, how many maps and
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[20:15] <slady> hello everybody! :)
[20:15] <jorgemartin> I had never seen that box because it is in a place that does not draw attention
[20:15] <Carpiza> Hi
[20:15] <hendrik> At the moment, the start page has a lot of news. Most of them are rather old.
[20:16] <hendrik> I am wondering, if new players are really interested in them. Especially people who do not know Stendhal yet.
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[20:16] <sakuraa> I think we should have more information about the game, not just the events that happen here
[20:16] <Bluelads4> I agree with that
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[20:16] <borgomatic> How about listing a few games stats, like how many rooms, how many creatures, how many maps and
[20:17] <hendrik> What kind of information should we provide for new people on the start page?
[20:17] <hendrik> What kind of information should we provide for new people on the start page?
[20:17] <borgomatic> ... things like that?
[20:17] <borgomatic> ... things like that?
[20:17] <Bluelads4> and maybe making it a bit more "dynamic"
[20:17] <Bluelads4> and maybe making it a bit more "dynamic"

[20:17] <jorgemartin> also there are not many events that highlight
[20:17] <slady> buzzwords like "free to play" :)
[20:17] <slady> buzzwords like "free to play" :)
[20:17] <Bluelads4> free is in the center :)
[20:17] <Bluelads4> free is in the center :)
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[20:17] <Carpiza> maybe a full gallery with images of the gameplaying?
[20:17] <borgomatic> Yes! Free is alway good
[20:17] <borgomatic> Yes! Free is alway good
[20:18] <hendrik> Is there a nice way to make it clear, that it is really free. I have seen may games which claim "free to play", but than require you to buy items or tokens later on.
[20:18] <hendrik> Is there a nice way to make it clear, that it is really free. I have seen many games which claim "free to play", but than require you to buy items or tokens later on.

[20:18] <hendrik> many*
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[20:17] <Carpiza> maybe a full gallery with images of the gameplaying?
[20:18] <sakuraa> Could show some items of our game, creatures, tutorial videos and other
[20:18] <sakuraa> Could show some items of our game, creatures, tutorial videos and other
[20:19] <sakuraa> Could also have some rules and basic information on how to understand the game
[20:19] <sakuraa> Could also have some rules and basic information on how to understand the game
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[20:19] <jorgemartin> You can put pictures of the most attractive animals such as pegasus
[20:19] <jorgemartin> You can put pictures of the most attractive animals such as pegasus
[20:19] <hendrik> And try to make it more obvious, that there is more than one screenshot/video.
[20:19] <hendrik> And try to make it more obvious, that there is more than one screenshot/video.

[20:20] <sakuraa> yes
[20:21] <hendrik> About the dynamic part: What about featuring an item, creature or npc every day/week?
[20:21] <hendrik> About the dynamic part: What about featuring an item, creature or npc every day/week?
[20:21] <Carpiza> it is possible to extend the world via user mods or is to heavy to the game server?
[20:21] <hendrik> Something like Wikipedia's "Did you know?".
[20:21] <hendrik> Something like Wikipedia's "Did you know?".
[20:21] <Bluelads4> that sounds nice
[20:21] <jorgemartin> an event every week would be good to draw attention
[20:22] <Bluelads4> and in relation to videos and screenshots: maybe some slideshows?
[20:22] <Bluelads4> and in relation to videos and screenshots: maybe some slideshows?
[20:22] <hendrik> Carpiza, I think that is a rather large topic, which would get us too far away from the website topic.
[20:22] <Carpiza> ok
[20:23] <sakuraa> Every week, choose one item to be shown on the site, and so on, it is also important to highlight the properties of it, such as strength and attack
[20:23] <sakuraa> Every week, choose one item to be shown on the site, and so on, it is also important to highlight the properties of it, such as strength and attack
[20:23] <hendrik> I think the new popup-image library can do slideshows, so that would be easy to implement.
[20:23] <hendrik> I think the new popup-image library can do slideshows, so that would be easy to implement.
[20:23] <Carpiza> dont realize that was the topic today
[20:23] <Bluelads4> what would be nice is to have some more tutorial videos or stuff like that but that needs some time actually
[20:23] <Bluelads4> what would be nice is to have some more tutorial videos or stuff like that but that needs some time actually
[20:23] <hendrik> We may need to use images which are roughly the same size. If you look through the current selection of screenshots, the window grows and shrinks a lot.
[20:23] <hendrik> We may need to use images which are roughly the same size. If you look through the current selection of screenshots, the window grows and shrinks a lot.
[20:24] <Bluelads4> and there is mostly just one player in *cough* :D
[20:24] <Bluelads4> and there is mostly just one player in *cough* :D
[20:24] <akiraa> yes could create more creatures and hidden maps, secret passage or specific quest to get into these areas a
[20:24] <jorgemartin> sakura the idea is good, change each week the appearance of the page.
[20:24] <jorgemartin> sakura the idea is good, change each week the appearance of the page.
[20:24] <Bluelads4> at least when it's about the region/area screenshots and stuff
[20:24] <Bluelads4> at least when it's about the region/area screenshots and stuff
[20:25] <hendrik> Yes. And for the videos that already exists, we may find a way to make them more easy to pick. At the moment a click on the Movie-box throws you to a huge wiki page.
[20:25] <hendrik> Yes. And for the videos that already exists, we may find a way to make them more easy to pick. At the moment a click on the Movie-box throws you to a huge wiki page.
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[20:25] <dustofatk> screenshots and movies into media
[20:25] <sakuraa> No need to change everything, but upgrade yes, that would leave more attractive and more interesting page
[20:25] <sakuraa> No need to change everything, but upgrade yes, that would leave more attractive and more interesting page
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[20:25] <dustofatk> world guide and player guide into guide
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[20:25] <Morg> can i trow something out there? about translater?
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[20:26] <hendrik> The navigation menu is another complex topic.
[20:27] <jorgemartin> hi
[20:27] <Bluelads4> We could think about using one of these videopages, except of youtube, for using direct links to an official account maybe? when it's about tutorials for example... or implementing a player. not sure though how that could be done
[20:27] <Bluelads4> We could think about using one of these videopages, except of youtube, for using direct links to an official account maybe? when it's about tutorials for example... or implementing a player. not sure though how that could be done
[20:27] <akiraa> you guys are 10 : D
[20:27] <akiraa> you guys are 10 : D
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[20:27] warace has joined Stendhal.
[20:27] warace has joined Stendhal.
[20:27] <hendrik> I will look into embedding the player into the image popup.
[20:27] <hendrik> I will look into embedding the player into the image popup.
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[20:29] <hendrik> I have a very early draft. It consists of a top level menus of About (Screenshots, Videos), World Guide (regions, items, ...), Player Guide (how to play), Community (Chat, Hall of fame), and Development.
[20:29] <Bluelads4> think at least the focus currently is on gameplay videos, when people want to inform themselves about a game
[20:29] <Bluelads4> think at least the focus currently is on gameplay videos, when people want to inform themselves about a game
[20:29] <dustofatk> a website is the center and if u use others like youtube, twitter and so on it needs to directly bring to ur page too
[20:29] <dustofatk> a website is the center and if u use others like youtube, twitter and so on it needs to directly bring to ur page too
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[20:29] <hendrik> I am not sure whether to have drop down menus, or keep the current always visible menus.
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[20:29] <Morg> i think it also would be good to have a translation box on here so you can talk to people without changing sites to try translating what they have to say
[20:30] <borgomatic> "Your current game only goes to level 99? Turn it all the way up to 597! Come play on Stenhal! Free and always will be!"
[20:30] <borgomatic> "Your current game only goes to level 99? Turn it all the way up to 597! Come play on Stenhal! Free and always will be!"
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[20:25] <dustofatk> screenshots and movies into media
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[20:25] <dustofatk> world guide and player guide into guide
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[20:26] <hendrik> The navigation menu is another complex topic.
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[20:29] <hendrik> I have a very early draft. It consists of a top level menus of About (Screenshots, Videos), World Guide (regions, items, ...), Player Guide (how to play), Community (Chat, Hall of fame), and Development.
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[20:29] <hendrik> I am not sure whether to have drop down menus, or keep the current always visible menus.
[20:30] <Bluelads4> drop down menus make the webpage a bit more "active" I think and it will not be that full with headlines and tabs
[20:30] <Bluelads4> drop down menus make the webpage a bit more "active" I think and it will not be that full with headlines and tabs
[20:30] <dustofatk> menus make in a way that it works without any scripts
[20:30] <dustofatk> menus make in a way that it works without any scripts
[20:30] <sakuraa> good phrase
[20:30] <hendrik> Yes, the website does work without javascript and will continue to work without it. But it is nicer, if javascript is enabled.
[20:30] <hendrik> Yes, the website does work without javascript and will continue to work without it. But it is nicer, if javascript is enabled.
[20:30] <dustofatk> robots cant follow scripts and that u need for better page ranking
[20:30] <dustofatk> robots cant follow scripts and that u need for better page ranking
[20:31] <Bluelads4> and it's used like that on many pages I think so people will know how to work with that :)
[20:31] <Bluelads4> and it's used like that on many pages I think so people will know how to work with that :)
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[20:34] <hendrik> We can have drop down menus, which are visible to robots, especially google.
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[20:35] <hendrik> The trick is that the top level entries are links which lead to a page with the sub menu.
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[20:35] <hendrik> For example https://stendhalgame.org/world.html
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[20:25] <Morg> can i trow something out there? about translater?
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[20:29] <Morg> i think it also would be good to have a translation box on here so you can talk to people without changing sites to try translating what they have to say
[20:33] <Bluelads4> not sure about a translation feature... most of these don't work in an accurate way
[20:33] <Bluelads4> not sure about a translation feature... most of these don't work in an accurate way
[20:33] <sakuraa> agree
[20:33] <epidio> but it can help
[20:33] <akiraa> could create a level 590 creature called cloud of death for her stay in Kinka :)
[20:34] <jorgemartin> You can add a translation bar
[20:34] <jorgemartin> You can add a translation bar
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[20:34] <hendrik> We can have drop down menus, which are visible to robots.
[20:34] <hendrik> especially google.
[20:34] warace has left Stendhal.
[20:34] <jorgemartin> one weapon with rate 0 for train
[20:35] <Morg> its a hassle tho if someone talkes to you in a diffrent language you have to leave the site go to a translatiing site and then your luck you die
[20:35] <Morg> its a hassle tho if someone talkes to you in a diffrent language you have to leave the site go to a translatiing site and then your luck you die
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[20:35] <hendrik> The trick is that the top level entries are links which lead to a page with the sub menu.
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[20:35] <hendrik> For example https://stendhalgame.org/world.html
[20:36] <Bluelads4> it actually always worked for me with the translation thingy...or I placed my character into a save region before I opened a translator :)
[20:36] <Bluelads4> it actually always worked for me with the translation thingy...or I placed my character into a save region before I opened a translator :)
[20:36] <Morg> about training, there should be a training station where you can train only without people trying to kill you while your training
[20:36] <kiheru> Morg: There was recently a feature request for translation for the client: https://sourceforge.net/p/arianne/feature-requests/1321/
[20:36] <kiheru> Morg: There was recently a feature request for translation for the client: https://sourceforge.net/p/arianne/feature-requests/1321/
[20:36] <hendrik> Please let us stay on topic.
[20:37] <Carpiza> Sry, going to lunch bye
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== Is the new integration of Wiki content a good idea and working properly? ==
== Is the new integration of Wiki content a good idea and working properly? ==
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[20:49] <Bluelads4> at least to catch the right results for quests
[20:49] <Bluelads4> at least to catch the right results for quests
[20:50] <slady> area or region would help
[20:50] <slady> area or region would help
[20:51] <akiraa> got to get good job to you
[20:51] <akiraa> going out
[20:51] <akiraa> bye
[20:51] <akiraa> :D
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== We have about 10 minutes left. Are there other ideas to improve the website? ==
== We have about 10 minutes left. Are there other ideas to improve the website? ==
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[20:57] <hendrik> Java 8 does not really add anything which makes it significantly easier to code for mobile devices.
[20:57] <hendrik> Java 8 does not really add anything which makes it significantly easier to code for mobile devices.
[20:58] <slady> the whole HUD has to be redesined for mobile devices
[20:58] <slady> the whole HUD has to be redesined for mobile devices
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[20:59] <hendrik> Okay, thanks a lot for your feedback and ideas regarding the Stendhal website. While we cannot add everything right away, the discussions was very helpful.
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== Conclusion ==
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[20:59] <hendrik> Okay, thanks a lot for your feedback and ideas regarding the Stendhal website. While we cannot add everything right away, the discussions was very helpful.
[20:59] hendrik Thank you for attenting this meeting.
[20:59] hendrik Thank you for attenting this meeting.
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Revision as of 21:13, 4 April 2014

On the 2nd we had a development meeting regarding recent changes to the Stendhal website and future plans. Please find a summary of the meeting below.


New unified search

  • There is now a search box in the upper right hand corner. It will find: Creatures, Items, Quests, Regions, Dungeons, pages from the manual and players.
  • Mostly positive feedback
  • Sometimes it is unclear, why certain results are included and other are not shown: When you search for a black sword, the result shows the black giant but not one of the other ones who drop it. Black giant, however, is not shown because it drops "black sword", but because it has both words in its description: "You see a tall black giant. His armor and sword will hit you hard. Be prepared!"
  • It might be a good idea to return the creature which drop a searched item. At least if it a rare item (e. g. not money).
  • It may be a good idea, to convert the search boxes for players, items, npcs, etc. to use the unified search as well, with a filter. For example a row of checkboxes like [_] Creature [_] Item [X] Player.
  • Multiple people did not notice the new search box. It's not close to the item/player sections so it does not work as a reminder. Upper right hand corner seems to be used on many website. But that it is very far away from the focus of attention. We might want to move it into the World guide navigation box.
  • Actually, position of the search box may be a good path to another topic.

How should the start page look like, in order to be attractive to new people as well as seasoned players?

  • At the moment, the start page has a lot of news, with quite a long history of old entries. New players are probably not interested in them.
  • More information about the game, not just the events that happen here
  • Games stats, like how many rooms, how many creatures, how many maps and

Navigation menu

Translation

Is the new integration of Wiki content a good idea and working properly?

We have about 10 minutes left. Are there other ideas to improve the website?

Conclusion

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