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* there's a text on sound and music at [[Stendhal Sound]]
== Introduction (needs summary or integrate below) ==
* wiki page is quite old and needs to be updated
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== Types of Music ==


* main goal of music is to add ambient/atmosphere
* humana: hey... I want more sound in this game, maybe music!... I thought about a new house... for example a jazz house... there are some musicians (is that the right word) which are playing music... you can do there for example a new quest too ... how do you think about this?
* music should be played adaptively according to the place and situation, to give it more value.
* humana: maybe first just one place for music ... it's difficult to write songs for all places in stendhal...
** storyteller made some great examples of this, see patch tracker
* hendrik: And too many other things to work on.
* vomit: there's a text in the wiki about this
* humana: what kind of music?
* humana: I can do maybe something with cheatdomi
* vomit: chilling tunes
* humana: I like it if there is a jazz house!
* storyteller: humana, I already produced a four music tracks for Stendhal :)
* vomit: maybe ambient or classic with a touch of medieval tunes
* humana: it's difficult to write something for all places vomit
* humana: you want for dungeons for example other music
* humana: storyteller? where can I hear this music?
* storyteller: it is added to the patches tracker
* storyteller: it´s something for ambient/atmosphere
* miasma: we could take midi-files.
* superkym: storyteller's music is really good. but adding to the game it is another thing
* storyteller: I produced it myself
* humana: okay teller I will hear it
* humana: kymi? what do you mean?
* superkym: pepsz, you can write this already
* plassy: maybe we can find some music at jamendo.com... it's creative common
* humana: I like some music for your heart
* humana: like blues and jazz

== Types of Music (needs summary) ==

== File Format (needs summary) ==
* vomit: in the wiki stood something about ogg
* vomit: would flac do it either?
* vomit: i have one ambient track but it's in mp3
* miasma: midi-files can be repeated the whole time aren't so big files and you can make them easy at home
* blackfinix: convert it to ogg
* blackfinix: ogg is open source
* blackfinix: flac is open source
* kiheru: with flac we would get rather large download sizes
* miasma: i'm for midi-files.
* vomit: flac would just be the source
* superkym: i'm pretty sure the wiki says what specifications we have, doesn't it say oggs?
* vomit: you could downsample it then for your own desired size
* blackfinix: a midi composition would work miasma. but i am not sure if he game can handle them
* plassy: midi and linux isn't a good idea
* humana: midi...
* blackfinix: if it was midi it would definitely have a retro sound to the game :)
* vomit: i think it should be ogg
* storyteller: do you think about 8-bit music?
* blackfinix: yes ogg is best bet
* storyteller: retro style? ;)
* plassy: full ack to ogg
* miasma: i think a retro touch like lufia or secret of mana or sth. is not bad for a game like these
* storyteller: thats right miasma
* vomit: but midis are tooooo oldschool
* miasma: i could try to make midi-files. thanks to guitar pro :D
* tigertoes: i dont think you can get the range in midi files as you can in ogg

== Other (needs summary) ==

* storyteller: no, I think we should not take music from anywhere...
* humana: storryteller what do you mean?
* plassy: what do you mean with anywhere?
* storyteller: well, to take it from any other source... Because of the copyright etc
* plassy: its a game
* humana: yes and a game has a background music
* humana: you can mute the music
* pepsz: more for example the people how you ignore can see why you ignore hem when try speak with you
* Oslsachem: music usually adds atmosphere to the game but not gameplay
* humana: so I don't know now... what do you think about a Blues or Jazz house?


* vomit: and there should be a soundtrack file, which you are able to download extra
* blackfinix: vomit yes ... like the sound files now
* superkym: adding music would still be rather a major change


* blackfinix: ok we can put that off for now, or create a ccommittee to look into it
* humana: who wrote music for stendhal already?
* superkym: it's not a minor thing which we can just make happen, it's a major thing needed, as far as i remember
* vomit: atmospheric sounds in ogg would be better
* miasma: but not your ambient music, vomit. i think ulthar isn't a good choice. in dreamscape maybe ;)
* Oslsachem: music should be played adaptively according to the place and situation, to give it more value.
* plassy: whats the problem with music... there is support for sound in java... or am I wrong?
* samson: I don't care about music / sounds as long as I can switch them off
* blackfinix: yes samson.
* plassy: so who did the original sound stuff?

* there should be different music for cities, forest, dungeons to add atmosphere
** storyteller made some great examples of this
** some are very pretty and quiet and suitable for outdoors, a meadow
** some are very pretty and quiet and suitable for outdoors, a meadow
** some are dark and scary like for a dungeon
** some are dark and scary like for a dungeon
** a jazz room was suggested, does it fit into the world?
** a jazz room was suggested, does it fit into the world?
* need to compromise between file size and loops being long enough not to get monotonic
* need to compromise between file size and loops being long enough not to get monotonic
* files provided and [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/arianne/stendhal/data/music/ committed to CVS]
** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/*checkout*/arianne/stendhal/data/music/Deep_Forest.ogg Deep_Forest.ogg] (This music by storyteller from patch 2665588 is ideal for outdoors as it has bir..., 2009)
** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/*checkout*/arianne/stendhal/data/music/Demiurgo_ANewHomeland.ogg Demiurgo_ANewHomeland.ogg] (Added final version of demiurgos song, 2006 )
** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/*checkout*/arianne/stendhal/data/music/Sacred_Moments.ogg Sacred_Moments.ogg] (This piece of music by storyteller from patch 2672345 has a majestic and serious..., 2009)
** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/*checkout*/arianne/stendhal/data/music/The_Forsaken_Mine.ogg The_Forsaken_Mine.ogg] (This is written by storyteller, atmospheric background music ideal for caves or ..., 2009)
** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/*checkout*/arianne/stendhal/data/music/The_Old_Tavern.ogg The_Old_Tavern.ogg] (This is written by storyteller, and he comments that ' This background soundtrac..., 2009)


== File Format ==
== Triggering Background Music (needs summary) ==

* mp3 is problematic
* midi
** midi-files can be repeated the whole time aren't so big files and you can make them easy at home
** midi and linux may be a problem
** midi would have a retro touch, like lufia or secret of mana or sth.
* ogg
** midi files can be converted
** prefered by many people
** cannot get the range in midi files as you can in ogg

== Controlling the music ==


* music is played by client
* music is played by client
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* the music files should be shipped with the client, just like tiles and images are, but as a separate package
* the music files should be shipped with the client, just like tiles and images are, but as a separate package
* streaming is considered to consume too much resources like bandwidth, streaming is not required for synchronizing
* streaming is considered to consume too much resources like bandwidth, streaming is not required for synchronizing
* plan:
* plan: 1. Make mute persistent, 2. include the sound files in stendhal-0.xx.zip, 3. include the music files in stendhal-FULL-0.xx.zip
*# Make /mute persistent ({{tracker|2880973}}).
*# include the sound files in stendhal-0.xx.zip (it made sense to have an extra download years ago when the music was twice as large as the client, but that is not true anymore)
*# include the music files in stendhal-FULL-0.xx.zip

== Other ==

* we need to be carefully when taking music from any other sources because they may be copyrighted although marked as free
* it should be possible to switch sound/music off
* music needs quite a bit of coding, the existing sound system needs some cleanup
* there are ogg files provided to test with, so the missing computer code is the show stopper


== Volunteers ==
== Volunteers ==
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