Stendhal Development Meeting 2009-11-22/Result Log/Music: Difference between revisions

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== Introduction (needs summary or integrate below) ==

* humana: hey... I want more sound in this game, maybe music!... I thought about a new house... for example a jazz house... there are some musicians (is that the right word) which are playing music... you can do there for example a new quest too ... how do you think about this?

* humana: maybe first just one place for music ... it's difficult to write songs for all places in stendhal...

* hendrik: And too many other things to work on.

* vomit: there's a text in the wiki about this

* humana: what kind of music?

* humana: I can do maybe something with cheatdomi

* vomit: chilling tunes

* humana: I like it if there is a jazz house!

* storyteller: humana, I already produced a four music tracks for Stendhal :)

* vomit: maybe ambient or classic with a touch of medieval tunes

* humana: it's difficult to write something for all places vomit

* humana: you want for dungeons for example other music

* humana: storyteller? where can I hear this music?

* storyteller: it is added to the patches tracker

* storyteller: it´s something for ambient/atmosphere

* miasma: we could take midi-files.

* superkym: storyteller's music is really good. but adding to the game it is another thing

* storyteller: I produced it myself

* humana: okay teller I will hear it

* humana: kymi? what do you mean?

* superkym: pepsz, you can write this already

* plassy: maybe we can find some music at jamendo.com... it's creative common

* humana: I like some music for your heart

* humana: like blues and jazz

== Types of Music (needs summary) ==

== File Format (needs summary) ==

* vomit: in the wiki stood something about ogg

* vomit: would flac do it either?

* vomit: i have one ambient track but it's in mp3

* miasma: midi-files can be repeated the whole time aren't so big files and you can make them easy at home

* blackfinix: convert it to ogg

* blackfinix: ogg is open source

* blackfinix: flac is open source

* kiheru: with flac we would get rather large download sizes

* miasma: i'm for midi-files.

* vomit: flac would just be the source

* superkym: i'm pretty sure the wiki says what specifications we have, doesn't it say oggs?

* vomit: you could downsample it then for your own desired size

* blackfinix: a midi composition would work miasma. but i am not sure if he game can handle them

* plassy: midi and linux isn't a good idea

* humana: midi...

* blackfinix: if it was midi it would definitely have a retro sound to the game :)

* vomit: i think it should be ogg

* storyteller: do you think about 8-bit music?

* blackfinix: yes ogg is best bet

* storyteller: retro style? ;)

* plassy: full ack to ogg

* miasma: i think a retro touch like lufia or secret of mana or sth. is not bad for a game like these

* storyteller: thats right miasma

* vomit: but midis are tooooo oldschool

* miasma: i could try to make midi-files. thanks to guitar pro :D

* tigertoes: i dont think you can get the range in midi files as you can in ogg

== Other (needs summary) ==

* storyteller: no, I think we should not take music from anywhere...

* humana: storryteller what do you mean?

* plassy: what do you mean with anywhere?

* storyteller: well, to take it from any other source... Because of the copyright etc

* plassy: its a game

* humana: yes and a game has a background music

* humana: you can mute the music

* pepsz: more for example the people how you ignore can see why you ignore hem when try speak with you

* Oslsachem: music usually adds atmosphere to the game but not gameplay

* humana: so I don't know now... what do you think about a Blues or Jazz house?

* vomit: and there should be a soundtrack file, which you are able to download extra

* blackfinix: vomit yes ... like the sound files now

* superkym: adding music would still be rather a major change

* blackfinix: ok we can put that off for now, or create a ccommittee to look into it

* humana: who wrote music for stendhal already?

* superkym: it's not a minor thing which we can just make happen, it's a major thing needed, as far as i remember

* vomit: atmospheric sounds in ogg would be better

* miasma: but not your ambient music, vomit. i think ulthar isn't a good choice. in dreamscape maybe ;)

* Oslsachem: music should be played adaptively according to the place and situation, to give it more value.

* plassy: whats the problem with music... there is support for sound in java... or am I wrong?

* samson: I don't care about music / sounds as long as I can switch them off

* blackfinix: yes samson.

* plassy: so who did the original sound stuff?

== Triggering Background Music (needs summary) ==

* Oslsachem: there's the question whether music should be played individually for each player or whether it should be associated with the zone...

* hendrik: There should be different music for cities, forest, dungeons.

* hendrik: So it would be zone depended.

* hendrik: We already have some wind like sounds in 0_semos_village_w, but that is very basic.

* plassy: music have to add atmosphere

* superkym: yes and storyteller's music are great examples of this

* storyteller: Thanks very much :)

* superkym: some are very pretty and quiet and suitable for outdoors, a meadow

* superkym: some are dark and scary like for a dungeon

* Oslsachem: but that means that when a player enters a zone the music is not played from the beginning

* superkym: also he made them fairly small file which is important as we don't want to force large downloads, and they loop, too.

* yoriy: if music stay zone dependent it must not be monotonic , so probably there must be 2-3 misic themes for each zones

* blackfinix: osl that wouuld be ok though?

* hendrik: There is this problem:

* hendrik: Player One enters the zone.

* hendrik: The music starts.

* hendrik: 30 second later player Two enters the zone.

* storyteller: Then the music has to be played for every single player

* hendrik: Will he hear the music from the start? Or will it start with 30 seconds into the track?

* tigertoes: if it is a loop, wouldnt that mean it doesnt matter?

* vomit: the music should play for each player

* tigertoes: same concept for when you have music on telephone and they put you on hold

* storyteller: yes, tigertoes... for loops it doesnt matter

* love_puppet: or maybe the player 2 picks up 30s in to the track

* vomit: that should be controlled locally by the client

* plassy: the music should fade in... there is no need to hear it from the start

* hendrik: Always starting at the beginning of the file is a lot easier to code.

* plassy: except if special events arise

* yoriy: id like to have music in client instead server

* plassy: hendrik: i dont see the problem... dosn't java handle this?

* plassy: isn't there any library?

* superkym: why is it a problem if the music starts from the beginning as you enter, for each player? i think that is ok

* jesco: yes it is

* hendrik: okay, that makes things easier.

* Oslsachem: there's an unofficial rule that states that all the players should see the same things in the game though I don't know if music is really a part of the world or just the game interface because there isn't actually a musician playing it...

* kiheru: java does not handle everything. there's still a lot about the behaviour to code

* blackfinix: wouldn't all this music be very resource hungry?

* Oslsachem: you could play with the music tempo, increasing it when a player has low health

* humana: so if you want some music for some maps... I am here, I have guitar pro .. and domi have a better programm

* miasma: like the time-out music in super mario, oslsachem? ;)

* kiheru: maybe eventually osl. first we need something that works

* kiheru: just have a "atmosphere" property for the zones that's send to the client

* superkym: if you really wanted to make it start at the correct place you'd send what moment in the track to start from but not stream

* plan: 1. Make mute persistent, 2. include the sound files in stendhal-0.xx.zip, 3. include the music files in stendhal-FULL-0.xx.zip