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 ** Cleaned up the tutorial, it was still talking about double clicking for example.
 ** Rats in Semos Village don't run away anymore so it is be easier for new players to kill them.
-* There have been suggestions to tell new players about:
+* There were suggestions to tell new players about:
 ** Players can run faster than most creatures to get away {{Tracker|3020813}}
 ** Player can eat while fighting. {{Tracker|3020115}}
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 * I tried a simple approach (column B) of saying hell is good for player level 597. And calculated the other levels on a linear basis. But applying a linear scale did not give good the results. Level seems to be a bit like a log scale.
 * Suggestions are welcome using /support or in #arianne on irc.freenode.net. There is a "Chat" link on http://stendhalgame.org
+* more guidance for players to find areas that are safe for them
 == Min level on items ==
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 ** NPCs selling items (for example xin blanca selling low level items),
 ** quest rewards?
-* laguz is going to work on the creature based approach
+* laguz is going to [[Stendhal_Item_Ideas#List_of_weapons_and_armor_items_and_their_min_levels|work]] on the creature based approach
 == New dungeons ==
 * killerm proposed the creation of a new Dungeon
 * there is a tutorial on how to add maps at [[HowToUseTiledToCreateStendhalMaps]]
 * [[Stendhal Creature Ideas]] explains which information is necessary to create new creatures and [[HowToAddCreaturesStendhal]] is the technical counterpart
-* please join #arianne on irc to discuss the creation of new dungeons in great detail
+* please join {{irc-arianne}} on IRC to discuss the creation of new dungeons in great detail
-* more guidance for players to find areas that are save for them
-<div style="background-color:#FCC; padding: 1em; border: 3px solid red">
-<div style="font-size:14px; font-weight: bold"> TODO </div>
-== First steps of new players / new quests ==
-*[20:32] <laguz> maybe it make sense to split the library in different scopes and add some quests to it
-*[20:33] <laguz> so the players are "forced" to read them^^
-*[20:33] <omero> ah, on the subject of the library
-*[20:33] <laguz> yes
-*[20:33] <omero> how about having the 'fetch the book' quest repeatable (sort of pizza delivery reversed)?
-*[20:33] <laguz> parts for fight, world etc..or what ever
-*[20:33] <omero> it would encourage travelling
-*[20:33] <superkym> omero: sure, that's a nice idea, i like that
-*[20:34] <hendrikus> Or we could have quests sending players into certain dungeons.
-*[20:34] <superkym> the one we already have for ceryl and jynath but add more than just jynath?
-*[20:34] <omero> precisely, superkym
-*[20:34] <tigertoes> yes
-*[20:34] <omero> more 'book holders'
-*[20:35] <laguz> but the books should not be just given by the NPC
-*[20:35] <laguz> the players have to move and read/look arround
-*[20:35] <omero> hidden?
-*[20:35] <laguz> maybe a keyword read out of the books
-*[20:36] <hendrikus> In that case it may be a good idea to use something else beside books.
-*[20:36] <laguz> so the player can tell it the NPC and get the book for the keyword
-*[20:36] <omero> there's lots of chest that would be nice if could be opened (maybe booby trapped)
-*[20:36] <hendrikus> For example let players collect runes that are hidden in the world.
-*[20:36] <madmetzger> that sounds like nice idea for luring players into dungeons
-*[20:37] <tigertoes> and once they have gone there, they can be considered safe areas for them?
-*[20:37] <hendrikus> Of course it requires some thinking to make sure that players are sent to dungeons approriate for their levels.
-*[20:37] <omero> and it would make more thinkfull play instead of bash-the-monster
-*[20:37] <hendrikus> yes
-</div>
 == New quests ==
+* omero suggested a 'cheque' you can spend at one of the seller NPC
-* omero suggested a 'cheque' you can spend at one of the seller npc
 === Random Teleport ===
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 * perhaps as a good quest reward but maybe not as an item you always keep
+===Fetching books quest ===
+* omero suggested a repeatable [[StendhalQuest#Help_Ceryl_find_an_old_book|fetch the book]] quest for different npcs (add quest link)
-<div style="background-color:#FCC; padding: 1em; border: 3px solid red">
+* the npc would have the book and the player collects it
-<div style="font-size:14px; font-weight: bold"> TODO </div>
+* it could be hidden around them for player to find
-== More storage ==
+* laguz added to this that something could be forced to be read from the book - a keyword
+=== Runes quest ===
-*[20:40] <laguz> couldnt we add the option to buy more space for the chests?
+* reading a word from a book to collect which is hidden is similar to a [[Stendhal_Quest_Ideas#Dungeon_portal_runes|runes quest idea]]
-*[20:40] <superkym> laguz, we are (slowly) working on containers
+* runes could be used to get players into dungeons
-*[20:41] <superkym> so that you can buy or get rewarded a bag, a box, etc
-*[20:41] <hendrikus> You already get more space as you grow stronger and get access to banks in more cities.
-*[20:41] <superkym> Indeed. You'd be surprised how many players don't seem to use their ados chests or the zara house chest at all!
-*[20:42] <madmetzger> i think most players are too lazy to walk there or spend scrolls for it
-*[20:42] <Oslsachem> in real life people don't want to have many accounts either for basically the same purpose
-*[20:42] <torvald> another thing would be to include information from the web site. as for example a creature lexicon, where you can see drops and their likelyhood by clicking on a creature
-*[20:43] <laguz> to buy space for semos chest is a good reason to take much of the players money^^
-*[20:43] hendrikus has bank accounts at two different banks in real life.
-*[20:43] <superkym> i think that changing the size of the chest like that mid-game, mid-player life, would be hard.
-*[20:43] <hendrikus> Yes.
-*[20:44] <tigertoes> could be something like the locked box thing in banks
-*[20:44] <superkym> but you can buy a large box to store items
-*[20:44] <superkym> and that can be put in a chest.
-*[20:44] <hendrikus> That sounds strange.
-*[20:44] <superkym> this is a feature we are working on and just need a little help to complete
-*[20:44] <torvald> afolder for scrolls would be nice too
-*[20:44] <superkym> oh, ok.
-*[20:45] <omero> ah, but wouldn't be nice to have a chest in spots like dungeons? sort of secret place (beside the vault)
-*[20:45] <kezman> yes :D
-*[20:45] <love_puppet> i was think mabey pets could have bag spaces on them
-*[20:45] <superkym> omero: i am not sure why semos bank merchants would themselves put a chest there
-*[20:45] <Oslsachem> having portable bags and having bags represented as physical items is interesting
-*[20:45] <omero> the spots don't ned to be advertized... not obvious to find
-*[20:46] <superkym> omero: maybe just storage spaces under a stone, say, but open to all, not private. i think that storyteller suggested something very similar
-*[20:46] <kezman> is like chest in cave but make quest first before using
-*[20:46] <superkym> i like that idea, of hideyholes. but again it needs some work.
-*[20:46] <Oslsachem> it would be nice that the player was able to carry her chest from the bank to her house for example
-*[20:47] <superkym> i cannot imagine a bank chest in a dungeon in real life.
-*[20:47] <omero> but a pot, a sack... a smal cache of things for planned trips to lower levels
-*[20:47] <storyteller> Well, to the website thing: In my opinion the webside should be made more attractive, also to be made interactive to use by the way while playing
-*[20:47] <omero> you have to build up a reserve there...
-*[20:47] <Oslsachem> it's just a chest. The bank label is due to the place it is.
-*[20:48] <Oslsachem> (where)
-*[20:48] <storyteller> Okay
-*[20:49] <laguz> i would not add chest to the worls that are bound to a bank
-*[20:49] <hendrikus> Can we go to the next topic?
-*[20:49] <superkym> We will summarise all these chest and bag and storage ideas on the meeting page
-*[20:49] <laguz> players have to leave the dungeons
-*[20:49] <superkym> So yes, I think go on, as these ideas wil not be forgotten but they need more thought.
-*[20:49] <kezman> area to trade is need in ados bank
-*[20:49] <superkym> kezman: noted.
-</div>
+== More storage ==
-== Account and character handling ==
+* Players ask for more space in chests {{Tracker|1713621}}
+* You already get more space as you grow stronger and get access to banks in more cities
+* Many players don't seem to use the far chests like Ados or Zara's much
+* We are working on containers  so that you can buy or get rewarded a bag, a box, scroll wallet, etc {{Tracker|2933768}}
+* But putting a big box inside a chest sounds strange
+* Changing size of chest mid game is not possible.
+* Pets could have bag spaces {{Tracker|1937766}}
+* Chest in spots like dungeons, maybe just storage spaces under a stone, say, but open to all, not private. i think that storyteller suggested something very similar {{Tracker|2974131}}
+* Portable chests
+== Account and character handling ==
 * hendrik described the changes, which are now summarized at: [[Stendhal Account Merging]]
 * existing accounts can be merged (see link above)
@@ Line 164: / Line 104: @@
 == Password Sharing ==
 * [[Stendhal Rules|rules]] should be translated (start is done, please help)
 * it is prohibited to share passwords for a number of reasons:
@@ Line 178: / Line 117: @@
 * on http://stendhalgame.org there is a "login" link in the upper right hand corner.
 * this login button should be made a little bit more eye-catching, perhaps over the "Play now" and over the "Download" button
+* the website has information which may also be useful to see in game, e.g. drops from a creature
 == Testing web starter ==
@@ Line 207: / Line 147: @@
 * If you know other languages, please help with that.
 * Either by improving already existing translations or adding new ones.
-* Oslsachem translated to Spain and offered to do Protuguese
+* Oslsachem translated to Spain and offered to do Portuguese
-* omera offered to translate the  rules to Italian
+* omero offered to translate the rules to Italian
-<div style="background-color:#FCC; padding: 1em; border: 3px solid red">
-<div style="font-size:14px; font-weight: bold"> TODO </div>
 === Translating game ===
+* The translation system we had in place was removed since nobody ever completed 5% of translation needed
+* It was promised that if anyone completes more than 75% it can be re added
+* Coding it is rather simple
+* Commitment would be needed to keep translating new material also
-*[21:14] <Oslsachem> I wonder if having internationalization for the game is feasible
-*[21:15] <Oslsachem> or if the grammar system is a problem
-*[21:15] <superkym> Oslsacheam, oh, isn't that against what you usually cite as a main rule for stendhal?
-*[21:15] <superkym> That all players should see the same thing?
-*[21:15] <hendrikus> No, the grammar is not the issue. The problem is that it is a huge amount of work. And everyone who tried has given up after a couple of weeks.
-*[21:16] <Oslsachem> of course, kym. But in real life we also see the same things and people can speak with customers in different languages
-*[21:16] <Oslsachem> I am not afraid of the work
-*[21:21] <Oslsachem> the only worry I have is that the internationalization makes the code more cumbersome, quests for example.
-*[21:22] <superkym> I have no idea up front how that would be done or maintained.
-*[21:22] <hendrikus> We had a translation system in place already.
-*[21:22] <hendrikus> But since nobody ever completed 5%, i removed it.
-*[21:22] <hendrikus> I promised to readd it, if there is at least 75% translated.
-*[21:23] <hendrikus> But that will probably take half a year of full time work.
-*[21:23] <Oslsachem> ok, are the instructions for translating available somewhere?
-*[21:23] <Oslsachem> so much text?
-*[21:23] <hendrikus> Oslsachem, i can look for it after the meeting.
-*[21:24] <Oslsachem> anyway, it would need the commitment of people who writes new content to keep it going.
-*[21:24] <superkym> Commitment?
-*[21:24] <hendrikus> I cannot provide a spanish translation for stuff I add.
-*[21:25] <superkym> What if the people who write new content do not speak every translated language?
-*[21:25] <Oslsachem> I mean writing the code using templates or whatever
-*[21:25] <hendrikus> That is as easy as putting _( and ) around every string.
-*[21:26] <Oslsachem> that's the difficult part?
-*[21:26] <hendrikus> The difficult part is to stay commited to translate it.
-*[21:27] <tigertoes> exactly
-*[21:27] <hendrikus> As I said all people gave up after a couple of weeks.
-*[21:27] <Oslsachem> the whole tranlation is stored in a single file then?
-*[21:28] <hendrikus> Oslsachem we should discuss that at the next meeting or in #arianne.
-*[21:28] <Oslsachem> ok, I'll give it a try and perhaps other will follow in other languages.
-</div>
 == Closing meeting ==
+* We'd like to thank everyone for attending.
+* We put up a chatlog and a summary on the wiki and put a link on http://stendhalgame.org
-* I like to thank everyone for attending.
-* We will put up a chatlog and a summary on the wiki and put a link on http://stendhalgame.org
 * Feel free to join us in [http://stendhalgame.org/chat/ #arianne] on freenode at any time.

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