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We have two ideas for the class system now, one is a standard Class System, and the other is an Open System.
Both systems will have a form of classessclasses, and they both have a skill tree you need to lvllevel up to gain access to better and more advanced skills, ideas and proposals for those skills should be under theretheir respective topic just below.
 
It is important to notice that not all the skills are combat oriented, there may be skills to find personspeople, to talk with animals, to cut wood, to mine iron, gold, etc...
 
* [[StendhalRefactoringSkillTree| Skill Tree]]
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* [[StendhalRefactoringClassWarrior| Warrior]]
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Other suggestions for classes isare:
* [[StendhalRefactoringClassDruid| Druid]]
* [[StendhalRefactoringClassPaladin| Paladin]]
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An NPC that will make you "forget" your current class, and makes you able to repick your class would also
be a nice addition. Changing the class will make you lose all your lvllevel points and skills you currently have in
that class, and you would have to restart your class from zero.
 
The player levels would not be lost, though.
 
== Tree-based Class System==
A variant on basic classes is to have a tree of classes and advanced classes where you can "class up" as well as leveling up your current class. The requirements for classing up would vary depending on the class. Some may require a high prerequisite class level (e.g. Wizard), some may only require a low prerequisite class level (e.g. Bard), some may require a quest (e.g. Paladin), some may require paying the right guild (e.g. Thief), etc.
 
You'd keep your class levels when switching to a new class. If you switch to a new class tree (instead of moving down the current one) then some class skills may become unavailable until you switch back. You can only level up skills for your current class, which means you'll want to spend some time at the lower classes to cover the basics before upgrading (or you'll have to downgrade later and then upgrade again).
 
For example (with some renaming and reorganizing of the above classes):
 
* [[StendhalRefactoringClassScout| Scout]] &mdash; an dexterity/agility-based fighter, forward-observer, and master of the wilds. (Mostly the same as the current [[StendhalRefactoringClassThief| Thief]] sans Backstabbing, Unlocking, Pocketpicking)
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassArcher| Archer]] &mdash; a ranged fighter.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassBravo| Bravo]] &mdash; a lithe and flashy duelist who can pinpoint an enemy's most vital areas (i.e. a swashbuckler)
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassBerserker| Berserker]] &mdash; (Warrior+Scout) a powerful fighter who relies on skills and attributes more than equipment.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassMonk| Monk]] &mdash; (Scout+Priest) a blessed fighter who uses martial arts.
 
* [[StendhalRefactoringClassWarrior| Warrior]] &mdash; a strength/constitution-based fighter.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassKnight| Knight]] &mdash; a warrior that can equip the strongest arms and heaviest armor. (Skills to offset armor weight, etc)
*** [[StendhalRefactoringClassDragonKnight| Dragon Knight]] &mdash; a powerful knight with special skills for conquering the strongest dragons.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassBerserker| Berserker]] &mdash; (Warrior+Scout) a powerful fighter who relies on skills and attributes more than equipment.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassPaladin| Paladin]] &mdash; (Warrior+Priest) a holy knight. (Sort of a cross between Knight and Priest allowing access to both their skills, but not advancing as quickly as either of them does.)
 
* [[StendhalRefactoringClassPriest| Priest]] &mdash; a holy magic user.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassNecromancer| Necromancer]] &mdash; a powerful dark magic user.
*** [[StendhalRefactoringClassLich| Lich]] &mdash; (Necromancer+Wizard) an all-powerful dark magic user. (Like the Paladin, allows access to both Necromancer and Wizard skills, plus a few extra.)
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassPaladin| Paladin]] &mdash; (Warrior+Priest) a holy knight.
*** Dark Paladin &mdash; Exactly like Paladin, but what you become if you become a Necromancer.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassMonk| Monk]] &mdash; (Scout+Priest) a blessed fighter who uses martial arts.
 
* [[StendhalRefactoringClassMage| Mage]] &mdash; an elemental magic user
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassWizard| Wizard]] &mdash; a magician so powerful they have become a magical creature. (Gains spell-like abilities as skills that cost no MP or reduced MP)
*** [[StendhalRefactoringClassLich| Lich]] &mdash; (Necromancer+Wizard) an all-powerful dark magic user.
** [[StendhalRefactoringClassEnchanter| Enchanter]] &mdash; a magician that can temporarily or permanently enhance equipment with spells.
 
Other than the obvious difference of adding in a tree of lots of classes, one of the differences in this reorganization compared to the four basic classes above is that instead of having the typical "ranged, melee; offensive magic, defensive magic" breakdown it instead has a "speed, power; holy, elemental" breakdown where the choices are orthogonal rather than opposites. You could play an offensive Mage (fireball...) or a defensive Mage (ice shield...); an offensive Priest (curse, blight, turn undead...) or a defensive Priest (ward, heal, resurrect...); a ranged Scout (i.e. Archer) or a melee Scout (just hit them really often); a ranged Warrior (e.g. Berserker with the sprinting skill) or a melee Warrior (just hit them really hard). I think this makes for more interesting play since the classes aren't so typecasted.
 
The tree-based class system would allow greater flexibility than the basic class system, like the open system but without requiring strange limitations such as only being able to change armor in town. Classes can only be changed by special NPCs, quests, etc and not in the normal course of a dungeon
 
== Open System ==
A completely different way of handling classes is if you made quests for the teacher who trains you in the different skills and spells. After you complete the trainers quest you will learn the skill he/she can teach, however, some skills has specific requiermentsrequirements, like you can't use magic while wearing other thenthan light armor, or you can't fire a bow properly if you have heavy armor.
 
An NPC to reset your skills isisn'ntt necesary in this system thouthough, since you can always change the path you originally choose, you just have to change your current equipmentsequipment in order to be able to use the skills. Another important thing is that some skills thatoppose iseach against eachotherother in nature, and should not be able to be used together,. thusThus we need a system where you can activate or disable the skills you can and want to use, making it impossible to activate two opposing skills.
 
In this system you could actually be both a mage and warrior thus making the class system completely opend for "dual classess" of any type, the skills you can learn is the same as in the Class System, but now you can learn all the availeble skills.
 
One thing that is very important in this system is that the players shudshould not be able to change the gear in the middle of a fight, otherviseotherwise the players could always change the gear to fit the oponentopponent they currently are currently fighting.
 
Maybe players should only be able to change the gear when they are inside an Inn or setting up camp? orOr atleastat least just be able to change the bigger parts like torso and legs while they are inside an Inn or camp.
Bracers, Boots, Helm and Gloves is still items that is easerlyeasily changed in the wilds, however I don't like to change my pants while in the middle of the forest, especially if they are made of heavy iron. :)
 
== Play-Style Depended Class System ==
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A player has used his heal spell 20 times and his sword 150 times. At the end of a quest he gains 100 exp. His heal level will raise with 1000 * 20 / (20 + 150 * 0.1) exp and his swordfighting level with 1000 * 150 * 0.1 / (20 + 150 * 0.1) exp. Because you need to use a sword more times to gain any effect it's uses is multiplied by 0.1.
 
This makes cooporationcooperation of a party more neededimportant. A warrior will always welcome a Mage to join the party and a priest. He can't do the quest alone. He needs healing from the other. And a priest with good exp with undead, can be very helpful in the fight against undead creatures. Priests heal better than Mages do, and warrior can't heal at all. Warriors use only healing potions, not magic scrolls.
 
It should still be ablepossible that a warrior casts a heal spell, but it wonwouldn't have any effect or only heal 1 hp. But because he uses heal spells more exp will go to healing and he will slowly become a priest. So it depends on what you use more, what class you gonna bebecome. One who goes in the front and fights hand to hand with enemies and he also use plenty of magic, will become a battlemage.
 
Mages who use a certain scroll often, learn to use that spell without the need of a scroll. Scrolls just increase the effect and the chance of successuccess.
 
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