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Line 1: {{Navigation for Stendhal Top\|Developing}} ~~{{TODO\|Creation of this page is in progress. This is not a real chat log. Comments have been removed, sorted and edited.}}~~ {{Navigation for Stendhal Developers}} {{Stendhal Development Meeting 2009-11-22}} __TOC__ * there's a text on sound and music at [[Stendhal Sound]] * wiki page is quite old and needs to be updated {{clear}} == Types of Music == * main goal of music is to add ambient/atmosphere * ~~Oslsachem:~~ music should be played adaptively according to the place and situation, to give it more value.▼ * there should be different music for cities, forest, dungeons storyteller made some great examples of this, see patch tracker some are very pretty and quiet and suitable for outdoors, a meadow Line 15 ⟶ 16: ** a jazz room was suggested, does it fit into the world? * need to compromise between file size and loops being long enough not to get monotonic * files provided and [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/arianne/stendhal/data/music/ committed to CVS] ** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/checkout/arianne/stendhal/data/music/Deep_Forest.ogg Deep_Forest.ogg] (This music by storyteller from patch 2665588 is ideal for outdoors as it has bir..., 2009) ** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/checkout/arianne/stendhal/data/music/Demiurgo_ANewHomeland.ogg Demiurgo_ANewHomeland.ogg] (Added final version of demiurgos song, 2006 ) ** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/checkout/arianne/stendhal/data/music/Sacred_Moments.ogg Sacred_Moments.ogg] (This piece of music by storyteller from patch 2672345 has a majestic and serious..., 2009) ** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/checkout/arianne/stendhal/data/music/The_Forsaken_Mine.ogg The_Forsaken_Mine.ogg] (This is written by storyteller, atmospheric background music ideal for caves or ..., 2009) ** [http://arianne.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/checkout/arianne/stendhal/data/music/The_Old_Tavern.ogg The_Old_Tavern.ogg] (This is written by storyteller, and he comments that ' This background soundtrac..., 2009) == File Format ~~(needs summary)~~ ==▼ ~~{{TODO\|add link to patch tracker item}}~~ * mp3 is problematic ▲== File Format (needs summary) == * midi * ~~miasma:~~* midi-files can be repeated the whole time aren't so big files and you can make them easy at home▼ * miasma: we could take midi-files. * ~~plassy:~~* midi and linux ~~isn't~~may be a ~~good idea~~problem▼ * vomit: in the wiki stood something about ogg ** ~~miasma:~~midi iwould ~~think~~have a retro touch, like lufia or secret of mana or sth. ~~is not bad for a game like these~~▼ * vomit: would flac do it either? * ogg * vomit: i have one ambient track but it's in mp3 ** midi files can be converted ▲* miasma: midi-files can be repeated the whole time aren't so big files and you can make them easy at home ** prefered by many people * blackfinix: convert it to ogg ** ~~tigertoes: i dont think you can~~cannot get the range in midi files as you can in ogg▼ * blackfinix: ogg is open source * blackfinix: flac is open source * kiheru: with flac we would get rather large download sizes * miasma: i'm for midi-files. * vomit: flac would just be the source * superkym: i'm pretty sure the wiki says what specifications we have, doesn't it say oggs? * vomit: you could downsample it then for your own desired size * blackfinix: a midi composition would work miasma. but i am not sure if he game can handle them ▲* plassy: midi and linux isn't a good idea * humana: midi... * blackfinix: if it was midi it would definitely have a retro sound to the game :) * vomit: i think it should be ogg * storyteller: do you think about 8-bit music? * blackfinix: yes ogg is best bet * storyteller: retro style? ;) * plassy: full ack to ogg ▲* miasma: i think a retro touch like lufia or secret of mana or sth. is not bad for a game like these * storyteller: thats right miasma * vomit: but midis are tooooo oldschool * miasma: i could try to make midi-files. thanks to guitar pro :D ▲* tigertoes: i dont think you can get the range in midi files as you can in ogg == Other (needs summary) ==▼ * storyteller: no, I think we should not take music from anywhere... * humana: storryteller what do you mean? * plassy: what do you mean with anywhere? * storyteller: well, to take it from any other source... Because of the copyright etc * plassy: its a game * humana: yes and a game has a background music * humana: you can mute the music * pepsz: more for example the people how you ignore can see why you ignore hem when try speak with you * Oslsachem: music usually adds atmosphere to the game but not gameplay * humana: so I don't know now... what do you think about a Blues or Jazz house? * vomit: and there should be a soundtrack file, which you are able to download extra * blackfinix: vomit yes ... like the sound files now * superkym: adding music would still be rather a major change * blackfinix: ok we can put that off for now, or create a ccommittee to look into it * humana: who wrote music for stendhal already? * superkym: it's not a minor thing which we can just make happen, it's a major thing needed, as far as i remember * vomit: atmospheric sounds in ogg would be better * miasma: but not your ambient music, vomit. i think ulthar isn't a good choice. in dreamscape maybe ;) ▲* Oslsachem: music should be played adaptively according to the place and situation, to give it more value. * plassy: whats the problem with music... there is support for sound in java... or am I wrong? * samson: I don't care about music / sounds as long as I can switch them off * blackfinix: yes samson. * plassy: so who did the original sound stuff? == Controlling the music == Line 103 ⟶ 60: * the music files should be shipped with the client, just like tiles and images are, but as a separate package * streaming is considered to consume too much resources like bandwidth, streaming is not required for synchronizing * plan: # Make /mute persistent ({{tracker\|2880973}}). # include the sound files in stendhal-0.xx.zip (it made sense to have an extra download years ago when the music was twice as large as the client, but that is not true anymore) # include the music files in stendhal-FULL-0.xx.zip ▲== Other ~~(needs summary)~~ == we need to be carefully when taking music from any other sources because they may be copyrighted although marked as free * it should be possible to switch sound/music off * music needs quite a bit of coding, the existing sound system needs some cleanup * there are ogg files provided to test with, so the missing computer code is the show stopper == Volunteers ==